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If It Seems Too Awful To Be True, Perhaps It Isn't
Published on October 1, 2005 By kingbee In Current Events

as new orleans sank beneath the flood, the rest of the world was deluged with tales of wholesale mayhem perpetrated by and upon those too old, too young, too sick, too scared, too venal, too stupid, too bloodthirsty, too angry, too poor or too subhuman to get outta the place before they found themselves swimming in a stinking stew of shit and decomposing bodies.

the streets were full of thugs, armed with stolen weapons, attempting to blast rescue choppers outta the skies...willing to fight to the death in hopes of extending, if only for one more day, their reign of terror.

the sheltering superdome was filling up with the bodies of women and children who'd been raped into oblivion before their attackers finally took mercy and slit their victims' throats.   the convention center was even worse.

nobody coulda made all that up, right?

despite the best efforts of the conservative citizens' council (formerly known throughout the south during the bad old days--which no longer exist, except as a fund-raising tool--as the white citizens' council) to prove otherwise, it appears as a lotta someones could...and did...just that.

according to the times-picayune Link

"After five days managing near-riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron prepared to hand over the dead to representatives of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.


Following days of internationally reported killings, rapes and gang violence inside the Dome, the doctor from FEMA - Beron doesn't remember his name - came prepared for a grisly scene: He brought a refrigerated 18-wheeler and three doctors to process bodies.

"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalls the doctor saying.

The real total was six, Beron said.

Of those, four died of natural causes, one overdosed and another jumped to his death in an apparent suicide, said Beron, who personally oversaw the turning over of bodies from a Dome freezer, where they lay atop melting bags of ice. State health department officials in charge of body recovery put the official death count at the Dome at 10, but Beron said the other four bodies were found in the street near the Dome, not inside it. Both sources said no one had been killed inside.

At the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, just four bodies were recovered, despites reports of corpses piled inside the building. Only one of the dead appeared to have been slain, said health and law enforcement officials.

That the nation's front-line emergency management believed the body count would resemble that of a bloody battle in a war is but one of scores of examples of myths about the Dome and the Convention Center treated as fact by evacuees, the media and even some of New Orleans' top officials, including the mayor and police superintendent. As the fog of warlike conditions in Hurricane Katrina's aftermath has cleared, the vast majority of reported atrocities committed by evacuees have turned out to be false, or at least unsupported by any evidence, according to key military, law enforcement, medical and civilian officials in positions to know."

this article provides additional statements attributed to military and medical authorities which directly contradict the tales of outrageous carnage widely  dispersed as fact and immediately accepted as gospel by the good and civilized people of america and the world.

"The picture that emerged was one of the impoverished, masses of flood victims resorting to utter depravity, randomly attacking each other, as well as the police trying to protect them and the rescue workers trying to save them. Nagin told Winfrey the crowd has descended to an "almost animalistic state." "

(in an article i posted the day troops finally arrived and began rescuing the people stranded at the convention center, i included a sarcastic denial of any cannibalism in anticipation of the next round of rumors.)

even if there were only a handful of homicides, what about all those rapes?. 

"Reports of dozens of rapes at both facilities - many allegedly involving small children - may forever remain a question mark. Rape is a notoriously underreported crime under ideal circumstances, and tracking down evidence at this point, with evacuees spread all over the country, would be nearly impossible. The same goes for reports of armed robberies at both sites.

Numerous people told The Times-Picayune that they had witnessed rapes, in particular attacks on two young girls in the Superdome ladies room and the killing of one of them, but police and military officials said they know nothing of such an incident.

Soldiers and police did confirm at least one attempted rape of a child. Riley said a man tried to sexually assault a young girl, but was "beaten up" by civilians and apprehended by police. It was unclear if that incident was the one that gained wide currency among evacuees.

Baldwin, the National Guard commander of a special reaction team patrolling the Dome, also said he knew of only one attempted sexual assault of a child - but the details of his story, while similar, differed somewhat from that of Riley. It was unclear last week whether the two men spoke about the same incident.

Soldiers apprehended the assailant after a "commotion" in the bathroom exposed him, Baldwin said, but he knew nothing about the man being beaten. Furthermore, in a detail that raises questions about whether officials have full knowledge of any sex crimes, Baldwin said his men turned over one alleged child molester to New Orleans police - only to find him again inside the Dome two days later, reportedly attempting to molest other children.

"We ran into the same guy a couple days later," he said. "The crowd came to us and said, 'You better do something with this guy or we're going to do something with him.' ... That kind of re-confirmed (the first allegation), when the crowd came to us saying he was putting his hands on kids."

But other accusations that have gained wide currency are more demonstrably false. For instance, no one found the body of a girl - whose age was estimated at anywhere from 7 to 13 - who, according to multiple reports, was raped and killed with a knife to the throat at the Convention Center.

Many evacuees at the Convention Center the morning of Sept. 3 treated the story as gospel, and ticked off further atrocities: a baby trampled to death, multiple child rapes.

Salvatore Hall, standing on the corner of Julia Street and Convention Center Boulevard that day, just before the evacuation, said, "They raped and killed a 10-year-old in the bathroom."

Neither he nor the many people around him who corroborated the killing had seen it themselves."

the sniping...the sniping!!  that hadda be factual.  can't make up no bullets. 

"Compass, however, promulgated some of the unfounded rumors himself, in interviews in which he characterized himself and his officers as outgunned warriors taking out armed bands of thugs at every turn.

"People would be shooting at us, and we couldn't shoot back because of the families," Compass told a reporter from the (Bridgeport) Connecticut Post who interviewed him at the Saints' Monday Night Football game in New York, where he was the guest of NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. "All we could do is rush toward the flash."

Compass added that he and his officers succeeded in wrestling 30 weapons from criminals using the follow-the-muzzle-flash technique, the story said.

"We got 30 that way," Compass was quoted as saying.

Asked about the muzzle-flash story last week, Compass said, "That really happened" to Winn's SWAT team at the Convention Center.

But Winn, when asked about alleged shootouts in a separate interview, said his unit saw muzzle flashes and heard gunshots only one time. Despite aggressively frisking a number of suspects, the team recovered no weapons. His unit never found anyone who had been shot."

okay so maybe things werent as bad as we were led to believe.  of course, we were also led to believe the victims were playin the victim card as they so often do when denied their free water & candy corns.

"As the authorities finally mobilized buses to evacuate the Dome on Sept. 2, many evacuees were nearing the breaking point. Baldwin said soldiers could not have controlled the crowd much longer. They ejected a handful of people attempting to start a riot, screaming at soldiers and pushing crowds to revolt.

"We're not prisoners of war - y'all are treating us like evacuees and detainees!" he recalled one of them shouting.

But many others sought to quiet such voices. On the deck outside the Dome on Sept. 1, the day before buses arrived, preachers took it upon themselves to lead the agitated crowd in prayer and song.

"Everybody needs to help the soldiers," Baldwin recalled one of them saying. "We're all family here."

About 15 others joined the medical operation, as people collapsed from heat and exhaustion every few minutes, Baldwin said.

"Some of these guys look like thugs, with pants hanging down around their asses," he said. "But they were working their asses off, grabbing litters and running with people to the (New Orleans) Arena" next door, which housed the medical operation.

As the Dome cleared out Sept. 3, Beron, the National Guard commander, fashioned a plan to deal with the dead. He knew of the six bodies in the freezer, but expected far more. He and an Ohio National Guard commander sent 450 Ohio troops to search every nook of the Dome, top to bottom. They told them to mark locations of bodies on a map of the Dome, to rope off suspected crime scenes, and leave a chemical light sticks next to each one so they could be retrieved later.

"I fully expected to find more bodies, both homicides and natural causes," he said.

They found nothing."

over the past week, i've seen articles in the new york times and la times in which both papers admitted to having accepted and repeated rumors similar--if not exactly the same--as those described in the times-picayune article.  google news lists a whole page of other publications that are doing the same. 

yall would know better than i whether fox news has admitted it went way overboard to portray the victims of katrina as mau maus...and some of yall were so driven by fox's efforts you seemed barely able to type out your condemnation quickly enuff.  i'm guessing they're hoping the white conservative citizens' councils are gonna pull somethin outta their hoods. 

once again, i truly hope none of the people who some of yall were so quick to condemn ever make their way to ju and see what you had to say about them.  


 


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on Oct 01, 2005
Thanks for the article king, it was very informative.
on Oct 01, 2005
In the end, one of the victims of Katrina were the people who rely on the press to report facts. With all the news gathering organizations in this country, all of them simply accepted what each other said and reported accordingly. One would think that even one reporter would look around the Superdome and say... wait a minute, is their a shred of evidence that any of these attrocities are actually true?

I can understand how rumors grow with the lack of eye witness accounts of the facts. I can also understand how a shot to get the attention of a rescue helicopter could be mistaken as an attack on that chopper. However, what I can't understand is how all the reporters at one scene can be so incompetent that they don't take the time to investigate claims of "hundreds of dead" in the Superdome when they have already taken the time to actually travel to the Superdome. Apparently NOT ONE reporter took the opportuty to check out the heap of melting ice where the "hundreds of bodies" (but in reality, only 6) were stored.

When Jessica Lynch's story was all over the papers, a New York Times reporter admitted that he wrote some of the pieces he submitted from a barstool, without doing any investigating beyond what had already appeared in the news. I wonder how the "reporting" from New Orleans could have been any further from the facts, if all the news about Hurricane Katrina had have been researched any differently. There is absolutely NO excuse for that kind of laziness in reporting.
on Oct 01, 2005
So if you believe the Rwanda-esque descriptions of New Orleans and say "What the hell is wrong with these people..." you're a fekked racist.

If you doubt that people would fall into such a state and assume that it is all hype made to ramp up ratings and take political advantage of the victims... then you are an insensitive prat who lives with his head in the sand to keep from seeing what horrors US politics has wrought on the "New Orleans poor."

Frankly, when I see perfectly healthy Homo Sapiens with two legs and two hands screaming that they are going to die unless someone brings them something to eat, I'm dubious. When I see a mayor saying the death toll could reach 50,000 or more on the third day, when he, himself doesn't even know where the survivors are hanging out at, I'm dubious.

That isn't the point, though. This isn't about victims, this is about waving the bloody shirt, this is about which side gives the most entertaining press conferences, making sure they are the one that gets quoted by 24 hour news. Since when has reality mattered?
on Oct 02, 2005
Thanks for the article king, it was very informative


thanks for reading.
on Oct 02, 2005
Apparently NOT ONE reporter took the opportuty to check out the heap of melting ice where the "hundreds of bodies" (but in reality, only 6) were stored


hurricane reporting has become a very stylized sort of performance--similar in many ways to kabuki--with its own uniform (goretex hooded windbreaker), gestures (ideally one aspires to go fully horizontal), soundtrack ('whoooooooosh & CRASH') and script.

I wonder how the "reporting" from New Orleans could have been any further from the facts, if all the news about Hurricane Katrina had have been researched any differently. There is absolutely NO excuse for that kind of laziness in reporting.


the network guys looked pretty haggard after a couple days. some of the print journalists seemed to be pretty well grounded. i'm not sure how it happened but you're right...what passed for reporting was really just malicious gossipmongering.
on Oct 02, 2005
when I see perfectly healthy Homo Sapiens with two legs and two hands screaming that they are going to die unless someone brings them something to eat,


altho i've spent years laffin my ass off at southern californians who can't brave temperatures below 50f unless they're dressed in arctic-rated down jackets, sherpa boots and hoods, i guess life on the slow track has finally taken its toll. i wouldn't die from a few days of no food. after half a day in early september louisiana heat on top of a roof or a concrete freeway onramp without water i'm sure i'd wish i was dead.

This isn't about victims, this is about waving the bloody shirt, this is about which side gives the most entertaining press conferences, making sure they are the one that gets quoted by 24 hour news. Since when has reality mattered?


unfortunately, it's the kinda legacy that's easy to create and sell, but difficult to live down--so there are definitely victims. as far as the rest, i wish it wasn't true but it is.
on Oct 02, 2005
when I see perfectly healthy Homo Sapiens with two legs and two hands screaming that they are going to die unless someone brings them something to eat,


Ya know, I may take being a swimmer for granted, along with the knowledge that many things float in water, but I just can't figure out the mindset of someone sitting on their roof waiting for a helicopter to come along. These are truly people that are used to other people taking care of them.
on Oct 02, 2005
Reports That Conditions in NOLA Were Exaggerated are Exaggerated

An article from the Louisiana Times-Picayune (nola.com) has been circulating around (it was on Drudge) which claims that the horror stories from New Orleans were greatly exaggerated. This claim itself appears to be overstated. The article employs straw-man news reports to make its claim.
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Strawman #1:
"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalls the doctor saying. - Huh? I watched an awful lot of Katrina coverage, but never once heard anything like that - The real total was six, Beron said. - That's more like what I remember hearing - six deaths in the Dome.

Strawman #2
"I think 99 percent of it is bulls---," said Sgt. 1st Class Jason Lachney, who played a key role in security and humanitarian work inside the Dome. "Don't get me wrong, bad things happened, but I didn't see any killing and raping and cutting of throats or anything.... Ninety-nine percent of the people in the Dome were very well-behaved." Well, ok, but reports of chaos and anarchy were not from the Dome, they were from the Convention Center.

Strawman #3
Four weeks after the storm, few of the widely reported atrocities have been backed with evidence. The piles of bodies never materialized[what piles of bodies?!], and soldiers, police officers and rescue personnel on the front lines say that although anarchy reigned at times and people suffered unimaginable indignities, most of the worst crimes reported at the time never happened. - get that - it was a fucking nightmare, but it wasn't a complete and total fucking nightmare, dammit!

The article then attempts to ridicule one of the demonstrably true reports that a guardsman was shot in the leg - it turns out the wound was self-inflicted. Why did the soldier shoot himself? "In the darkness, as he walked through about six inches of water, Watt was attacked with a metal rod..." - so he shot himself while trying to fight off a thug beating him with a metal rod! Silly soldier, shooting himself in the leg; silly media, exaggerating again!

The Convention Center is where all the controversy was, because this ended up being an impromptu shelter - thus there were no weapons searches, no authorities in place. The article makes a half-hearted effort to whitewash the situation: Inside the Convention Center, the rumors of widespread violence have proved hard to substantiate, as well, though the masses of evacuees endured terrifying and inhumane conditions. Yeah, sounds like a lovely time. Probably the best that can be said about conditionas at the Convention Center is that there is only one substantiated murder, that there was likely only a handful of rapes, and that gunfire in the center may have been only intermittent, not continuous. There is no doubt about the voracious and destructive looting that occurred and the general lawlessness that prevailed.

This "exaggerated reports" meme is going to have some serious legs. Right now it's being promoted by Bush apologists as a way to rub away some of the stain Katrina has left on this administration. It will then be picked up in due course (after they've let all the witless Republicans do the heavy lifting for them) by leftists to promote their view of an oppressive society in league with a racist media. It will be this latter charge that will take hold - the collective memory of Bush incompetence will stick while the media will pound away on the race angle for years to come.

posted by ziel


http://lyingeyes.blogspot.com/2005/09/reports-that-conditions-in-nola-were.html#continued

The Exaggerated Story About Exaggerated Stories
by Chris Roach | Sep 29, 2005 | 3 comments

There were undoubtedly wild, uncofirmed, and false rumors circulating during Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. Such rumors are a natural part of chaos. So now we have seen the stories about how crime and violence and other problems were exagerrated. But these stores about rumors are likely taking things too far in correcting these rumors as part of the perrenial liberal re-writing of history ; we all saw an event with our own eyes, where looting took place on a grand scale, in some cases with police officers joining in. We heard the shell-shocked survivors of the Superdome, describing gang fights, intimidation, rape, and worse. Anyone who has been to New Orleans should not have been to surprised; it's always been a violent and disorderly town, with an extremely high rate of criminal behavior, which exceeded 50% in one group of refugees. (Why the re-write? The reality of New Orleans undermines a number of liberal shibolleths about the poor, racism, democratic governance, and black crime.)

Today the New York Times joins in, writing:



It is still impossible to say if the city experienced a wave of murder because autopsies have been performed on slightly more than 10 percent of the 885 dead.

[On Wednesday, however, Dr. Louis Cataldie, the state's medical incident commander for Hurricane Katrina victims, said that only six or seven deaths appear to have been the result of homicides. He also said that people returning to homes in the damaged region have begun finding the bodies of relatives.

[Superintendent Compass, one of the few seemingly authoritative sources during the days after the storm, resigned Tuesday for reasons that remain unclear. His departure came just as he was coming under criticism from The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which had questioned many of his public accounts of extreme violence.]


But let's do the math, then. 850 or so people died. Ten percent of them have been autopsied. Of these perhaps six or seven were clear homicides. Multiplied by 10, that's 60-70 killed. And this number likely undercounts individuals that were victims of blunt trauma, vehicular homicide, and other less apparent forms of homicide. The 60-70 number would be more deaths than took place in the L.A. Riots (52) or the Detroit Riots of 1967 (43).


http://www.affbrainwash.com/chrisroach/archives/020368.php
on Oct 02, 2005
Yup, I confess. I actually believed what every media outlet was not only reporting, but was covering LIVE. I guess all those (black) looters I witnessed on live television were hired actors, paid for by members of the vast white-wing conspiracy


no question there was looting. according to the ny times monday morning quarterback report Link

"On the morning of Monday, Aug. 29, in the half hour or so that the eye of Hurricane Katrina fell on the city - an illusory moment of drawn breath, sunshine and fair breezes - the looters struck, said Capt. Anthony W. Canatella, the police commander in the Sixth District.

Using a chain hitched to a car, they tore open the steel doors at the back of a pawn shop called Cash America on Claiborne Avenue. "Payday Advances to 350," read a sign where the marquee would have been.

"There was nothing in there you could sustain your life with," Captain Canatella said. "There's nothing in there but guns and power tools."

The Sixth District - like most of New Orleans, a checkerboard of wealth and poverty - was the scene of heavy looting, with much of the stealing confined to the lower-income neighborhoods. A particular target was a Wal-Mart store on Tchoupitoulas Street, bordering the city's elegant Garden District and built on the site of a housing project that had been torn down.

The looters told a reporter from The Times that they followed police officers into the store after they broke it open, and police commanders said their officers had been given permission to take what they needed from the store to survive. A reporter from The Times-Picayune said he saw police officers grabbing DVD's.

A frenzy of stealing began, and the fruits of it could be seen last week in three containers parked outside the Sixth District police station. Inside were goods recovered from stashes placed by looters in homes throughout the neighborhood, said Captain Canatella, most but not all still bearing Wal-Mart stickers...

One of the officers who went to the Wal-Mart said the police did not try to stop people from taking food and water. "People sitting outside the Wal-Mart with groceries waiting for a ride, I just let them sit there," said Sgt. Dan Anderson of the Sixth District. "If they had electronics, I just threw it back in there."

Three auto parts stores were also looted. In a house on Clara Street, Sergeant Anderson picked his way through a soggy living room, where car parts, still in their boxes, were strewn about. On the wall above a couch, someone had written "Looters" with spray paint...

As the storm winds died down that Monday, small groups that had evacuated from poor neighborhoods as far away as the Lower Ninth Ward passed through the historic French Quarter, heading for shelter at the convention center.

"Some were pushing little carts with their belongings and holding onto their kids," said Capt. Kevin B. Anderson, the French Quarter's police commander. He said his officers gave food, water and rides. "That also served another purpose," he said. "That when they came through, they didn't cause any problems."

The jewelry and antique shops in the French Quarter were basically left untouched, though squatters moved into a few of the hotels. Only a small grocery store and drugstores at the edge of the quarter were hit by looters, he said. From behind the locked doors of the Royal Sonesta hotel on Bourbon Street, Hans Wandfluh, the general manager, said he had watched passers-by who seemed to be up to no good. "We heard gunshots fired," Mr. Wandfluh said. "We saw people running with guns."

At dusk on Aug. 29, looters broke windows along Canal Street and swarmed into drugstores, shoe stores and electronics shops, Captain Anderson said. Some tried, without success, to break into banks, and others sought to take money from A.T.M.'s."


the times' article quoted above came about as follows:

"To assemble a picture of crime, both real and perceived, The New York Times interviewed dozens of evacuees in four cities, police officers, medical workers and city officials. Though many provided concrete, firsthand accounts, others passed along secondhand information or rumor that after multiple tellings had ossified into what became accepted as fact."

the times also points out:

"What became clear is that the rumor of crime, as much as the reality of the public disorder, often played a powerful role in the emergency response. A team of paramedics was barred from entering Slidell, across Lake Pontchartrain from New Orleans, for nearly 10 hours based on a state trooper's report that a mob of armed, marauding people had commandeered boats. It turned out to be two men escaping from their flooded streets, said Farol Champlin, a paramedic with the Acadian Ambulance Company."

the times-picayune quoted reports by federal authorities that 237 people had been arrested for looting and another 230 for various other charges.

i can't recall which ju blogger(s) opined and seconded the proposition that many of those who didn't get outta the city remained there intentionally in anticipation of good looting opportunities. if that were the case--or if there was such wide open looting and pillaging, why wasn't the french quarter a primary target?

low self-esteem caused them to lower their expectations?
on Oct 02, 2005
I may take being a swimmer for granted, along with the knowledge that many things float in water, but I just can't figure out the mindset of someone sitting on their roof waiting for a helicopter to come along. These are truly people that are used to other people taking care of them.


i'm in total agreement with dabe Link have you seen any pics of the damage sustained by powerboats hitting submerged vehicles, buildings and trees? or the damage done to the submerged stuff by boats? fast-moving currents & submerged objects don't play well with bodies.
on Oct 02, 2005
But let's do the math, then. 850 or so people died. Ten percent of them have been autopsied. Of these perhaps six or seven were clear homicides. Multiplied by 10, that's 60-70 killed. And this number likely undercounts individuals that were victims of blunt trauma, vehicular homicide, and other less apparent forms of homicide


lemme guess. you've taken that forward estimating class bakerstreet described?
on Oct 02, 2005
lemme guess. you've taken that forward estimating class bakerstreet described?


Does my name say "Chris Roach", you twit?

Nevertheless, I got an "A" in a class entitled "Dealing with Reality". Why don't you try signing up?

Oh, that's right--they don't teach that kind of thing in your liberal American institutions of higher learning. It's a shame your teachers unions aren't interested in it either. Students should have a firm grip on reality long before they turn 18.
on Oct 02, 2005
i'm in total agreement with dabe Link have you seen any pics of the damage sustained by powerboats hitting submerged vehicles, buildings and trees? or the damage done to the submerged stuff by boats? fast-moving currents & submerged objects don't play well with bodies.


Ever been on a lake? Link Lake Lanier here in georgia was man made. Trees were cut down to a certain "sea level", the Chattahoochee River was dammed and Lake Lanier was created, leaving untold trees, buildings, bridges and many other submegred hazards. In the best of times, when rain fall is plentiful, this is of no concern. However, in drought conditions, tree tops, roofs and other hazards emerge from the lower water levels. Power boats hit sand bars, submerged tress and other debris constantly. Yet, I've not heard the Lake Lanier authorites claim swimming to be dangerous at any time. It's a matter of physics, a boat flying along at 30 knots will sustain a lot of damage when hitting a submerged tree. A person swimming along at 1/2 knots will see it and swim around it, at worst they would not hit it with any real force.

Let's be realistic here, after the flooding of the city occured and equlibrium was attained (within a few hours) there would be no current to speak of. Again, a matter of physics; as has been described repeatedly, New Orleans is a bowl. Ergo it fills with water and that's it, it's full. The only current after the initial flooding would have been the artificial current created by the draining efforts which took days to occur. Even that little bit of current would not cause bodies to strike hazards with sufficient force to cause harm.

Regardless, I'd take a slightly hazardous dip before I would sit starving on my roof waiting for help.
on Oct 02, 2005
A person swimming along at 1/2 knots will see it and swim around it, at worst they would not hit it with any real force.


It's not just a question of force, though. it's a matter of getting tangled up in trees and other submerged dangers....and no, you can't always see what's under the water below you. I've swum in places where you can't see your hand in front of your face under the water, and that's with a good-quality snorkel mask on. The water in NO was filthy, full of debris, chemicals, sewage and even human remains....not to mention gators and snakes.

Besides, have you ever swum any distance? I used to swim a mile a day and even when I was in decent shape it still kicked my ass some days. For people who don't swim often or who are elderly, obese or disabled, a mile may as well be a thousand miles.

Don't forget how disorienting it would have been for people with no street signs or landmarks to tell them where they were at.

Unless people were in sight of dry land from their rooftops, they did the right thing staying put. To suggest that they all should have swum instead of waiting for help is incredibly glib and slightly offensive.
on Oct 02, 2005
"To suggest that they all should have swum instead of waiting for help is incredibly glib and slightly offensive.


You'd die instead? Don't forget, people were supposedly DYING, not just waiting for help. When they started lambasting FEMA and Bush, people were supposedly dropping like flies at the convention center. Either they were lying, or they felt their chances were better there than on their own.

Me, personally, I wouldn't stand around and die waiting for someone I thought was trying to starve me because I my race. Granted, though, it is much nicer to be in close proximity to TV cameras when you rant...
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