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If It Seems Too Awful To Be True, Perhaps It Isn't
Published on October 1, 2005 By kingbee In Current Events

as new orleans sank beneath the flood, the rest of the world was deluged with tales of wholesale mayhem perpetrated by and upon those too old, too young, too sick, too scared, too venal, too stupid, too bloodthirsty, too angry, too poor or too subhuman to get outta the place before they found themselves swimming in a stinking stew of shit and decomposing bodies.

the streets were full of thugs, armed with stolen weapons, attempting to blast rescue choppers outta the skies...willing to fight to the death in hopes of extending, if only for one more day, their reign of terror.

the sheltering superdome was filling up with the bodies of women and children who'd been raped into oblivion before their attackers finally took mercy and slit their victims' throats.   the convention center was even worse.

nobody coulda made all that up, right?

despite the best efforts of the conservative citizens' council (formerly known throughout the south during the bad old days--which no longer exist, except as a fund-raising tool--as the white citizens' council) to prove otherwise, it appears as a lotta someones could...and did...just that.

according to the times-picayune Link

"After five days managing near-riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron prepared to hand over the dead to representatives of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.


Following days of internationally reported killings, rapes and gang violence inside the Dome, the doctor from FEMA - Beron doesn't remember his name - came prepared for a grisly scene: He brought a refrigerated 18-wheeler and three doctors to process bodies.

"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalls the doctor saying.

The real total was six, Beron said.

Of those, four died of natural causes, one overdosed and another jumped to his death in an apparent suicide, said Beron, who personally oversaw the turning over of bodies from a Dome freezer, where they lay atop melting bags of ice. State health department officials in charge of body recovery put the official death count at the Dome at 10, but Beron said the other four bodies were found in the street near the Dome, not inside it. Both sources said no one had been killed inside.

At the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, just four bodies were recovered, despites reports of corpses piled inside the building. Only one of the dead appeared to have been slain, said health and law enforcement officials.

That the nation's front-line emergency management believed the body count would resemble that of a bloody battle in a war is but one of scores of examples of myths about the Dome and the Convention Center treated as fact by evacuees, the media and even some of New Orleans' top officials, including the mayor and police superintendent. As the fog of warlike conditions in Hurricane Katrina's aftermath has cleared, the vast majority of reported atrocities committed by evacuees have turned out to be false, or at least unsupported by any evidence, according to key military, law enforcement, medical and civilian officials in positions to know."

this article provides additional statements attributed to military and medical authorities which directly contradict the tales of outrageous carnage widely  dispersed as fact and immediately accepted as gospel by the good and civilized people of america and the world.

"The picture that emerged was one of the impoverished, masses of flood victims resorting to utter depravity, randomly attacking each other, as well as the police trying to protect them and the rescue workers trying to save them. Nagin told Winfrey the crowd has descended to an "almost animalistic state." "

(in an article i posted the day troops finally arrived and began rescuing the people stranded at the convention center, i included a sarcastic denial of any cannibalism in anticipation of the next round of rumors.)

even if there were only a handful of homicides, what about all those rapes?. 

"Reports of dozens of rapes at both facilities - many allegedly involving small children - may forever remain a question mark. Rape is a notoriously underreported crime under ideal circumstances, and tracking down evidence at this point, with evacuees spread all over the country, would be nearly impossible. The same goes for reports of armed robberies at both sites.

Numerous people told The Times-Picayune that they had witnessed rapes, in particular attacks on two young girls in the Superdome ladies room and the killing of one of them, but police and military officials said they know nothing of such an incident.

Soldiers and police did confirm at least one attempted rape of a child. Riley said a man tried to sexually assault a young girl, but was "beaten up" by civilians and apprehended by police. It was unclear if that incident was the one that gained wide currency among evacuees.

Baldwin, the National Guard commander of a special reaction team patrolling the Dome, also said he knew of only one attempted sexual assault of a child - but the details of his story, while similar, differed somewhat from that of Riley. It was unclear last week whether the two men spoke about the same incident.

Soldiers apprehended the assailant after a "commotion" in the bathroom exposed him, Baldwin said, but he knew nothing about the man being beaten. Furthermore, in a detail that raises questions about whether officials have full knowledge of any sex crimes, Baldwin said his men turned over one alleged child molester to New Orleans police - only to find him again inside the Dome two days later, reportedly attempting to molest other children.

"We ran into the same guy a couple days later," he said. "The crowd came to us and said, 'You better do something with this guy or we're going to do something with him.' ... That kind of re-confirmed (the first allegation), when the crowd came to us saying he was putting his hands on kids."

But other accusations that have gained wide currency are more demonstrably false. For instance, no one found the body of a girl - whose age was estimated at anywhere from 7 to 13 - who, according to multiple reports, was raped and killed with a knife to the throat at the Convention Center.

Many evacuees at the Convention Center the morning of Sept. 3 treated the story as gospel, and ticked off further atrocities: a baby trampled to death, multiple child rapes.

Salvatore Hall, standing on the corner of Julia Street and Convention Center Boulevard that day, just before the evacuation, said, "They raped and killed a 10-year-old in the bathroom."

Neither he nor the many people around him who corroborated the killing had seen it themselves."

the sniping...the sniping!!  that hadda be factual.  can't make up no bullets. 

"Compass, however, promulgated some of the unfounded rumors himself, in interviews in which he characterized himself and his officers as outgunned warriors taking out armed bands of thugs at every turn.

"People would be shooting at us, and we couldn't shoot back because of the families," Compass told a reporter from the (Bridgeport) Connecticut Post who interviewed him at the Saints' Monday Night Football game in New York, where he was the guest of NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. "All we could do is rush toward the flash."

Compass added that he and his officers succeeded in wrestling 30 weapons from criminals using the follow-the-muzzle-flash technique, the story said.

"We got 30 that way," Compass was quoted as saying.

Asked about the muzzle-flash story last week, Compass said, "That really happened" to Winn's SWAT team at the Convention Center.

But Winn, when asked about alleged shootouts in a separate interview, said his unit saw muzzle flashes and heard gunshots only one time. Despite aggressively frisking a number of suspects, the team recovered no weapons. His unit never found anyone who had been shot."

okay so maybe things werent as bad as we were led to believe.  of course, we were also led to believe the victims were playin the victim card as they so often do when denied their free water & candy corns.

"As the authorities finally mobilized buses to evacuate the Dome on Sept. 2, many evacuees were nearing the breaking point. Baldwin said soldiers could not have controlled the crowd much longer. They ejected a handful of people attempting to start a riot, screaming at soldiers and pushing crowds to revolt.

"We're not prisoners of war - y'all are treating us like evacuees and detainees!" he recalled one of them shouting.

But many others sought to quiet such voices. On the deck outside the Dome on Sept. 1, the day before buses arrived, preachers took it upon themselves to lead the agitated crowd in prayer and song.

"Everybody needs to help the soldiers," Baldwin recalled one of them saying. "We're all family here."

About 15 others joined the medical operation, as people collapsed from heat and exhaustion every few minutes, Baldwin said.

"Some of these guys look like thugs, with pants hanging down around their asses," he said. "But they were working their asses off, grabbing litters and running with people to the (New Orleans) Arena" next door, which housed the medical operation.

As the Dome cleared out Sept. 3, Beron, the National Guard commander, fashioned a plan to deal with the dead. He knew of the six bodies in the freezer, but expected far more. He and an Ohio National Guard commander sent 450 Ohio troops to search every nook of the Dome, top to bottom. They told them to mark locations of bodies on a map of the Dome, to rope off suspected crime scenes, and leave a chemical light sticks next to each one so they could be retrieved later.

"I fully expected to find more bodies, both homicides and natural causes," he said.

They found nothing."

over the past week, i've seen articles in the new york times and la times in which both papers admitted to having accepted and repeated rumors similar--if not exactly the same--as those described in the times-picayune article.  google news lists a whole page of other publications that are doing the same. 

yall would know better than i whether fox news has admitted it went way overboard to portray the victims of katrina as mau maus...and some of yall were so driven by fox's efforts you seemed barely able to type out your condemnation quickly enuff.  i'm guessing they're hoping the white conservative citizens' councils are gonna pull somethin outta their hoods. 

once again, i truly hope none of the people who some of yall were so quick to condemn ever make their way to ju and see what you had to say about them.  


 


Comments (Page 3)
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on Oct 03, 2005
How is "Lots and lots of Blacks can't swim" offensive, but "White men can't jump" an acceptable joke?

I know when I took the Special Forces swim test, they had the "strong swimmers" got to the left and the "weak swimmers" go to the right. They didn't choose whether which we were, we chose ourselves.

One of the instructors (who happened to have been Black) made a joke about how no Black troops were on the "stong swimmer" side. He then told us that swimming was one of the biggest reasons why Black SF candidates don't finish the Qualification Course, while the number of White Candidates who don't get their tab because of swimming is next to nothing.

Just thought I'd chime in with that experience.
on Oct 03, 2005
Lots and lots of Blacks can't swim.


really? and you know this how?


Sorry Kingbee, from my own experience during military training called "Drown Proofing", I myself noticed the majority of African American soldiers could not swim. Though most of my African American friends do swim, I know a few that can not


Hey Lee here's the proof on the Navy swim thing from About.com.


Navy Swim Test



Everyone who enters the Navy must pass a Navy Third Class Swim Test The initial test is conducted in basic training (boot camp) for enlisted personnel, and as part of officer accession training (OCS, Academy, ROTC) for commissioned officers. Navy personnel in certain ratings (jobs) must be able to pass the requirements for a second class swim test. Swim test qualification is in accordance with CNET P1552/16 Navy Swimming and Water Survival Instructor/Swim Tester's Manual.

Third-Class Swim Test - A third class swim test is a test to determine if a person can stay afloat and survive without the use of a personal Floatation Device (PFD) in open water long enough to be rescued in a man-overboard situation. The 3rd class swimmer qualification is the minimum entry-level requirement for all U.S. Navy Personnel.

The third class swim test consists of TWO modules. Module one is composed of three separate events, a deep water jump, a 50-yard swim (using any stroke), and a 5-minute prone float. Swimmers who successfully pass module one may continue on to module two. Module two consists of shirt and trouser or coverall inflation.

Second-Class Swim Test - A second class swim test is a test to determine if a person can stay afloat and survive without the use of a personal floatation device (PFD) indefinitely. The second class swimmer qualification is used as an entry-level Requirement for Small Boat Operators, Naval Aircrew, and Rescue Swimmers.

The second class swim test consists of a seep water jump, 100 yard swim demonstrating 25 yards each of the crawl stroke, breast stroke, side stroke, and elementary backstroke. Immediately after the completion of the swim, without leaving the water, students will prone float (face down) for 5 minutes and transition to a back float before exiting the water.

First-Class Swim Test - The first class swim test is required for certain Naval duties, such as to become a certified Navy Swimming Instructor.

To pass the First Class Swim Test, candidates must first obtain a Red Cross or YMCA Life Saving Certificate (or NEC). The candidate must show proficiency (perfection) with the crawl stroke, breast stroke, side stroke, and elementary backstroke. Additionally, they must perform a 25-yard underwater swim, surfacing twice to demonstrate the surface burning oil technique.

on Oct 03, 2005
Hey Lee here's the proof on the Navy swim thing from About.com.


I had seen this myself Dr. and had a response half written before noticing yours. Darn, having to work, it cuts into my blogging time. Google helps alot to find things like this.

The drown proofing I conducted was for the Army. As for the Navy, I'm just saying what my brother told me. I have never had to daught what he said. But his idea of swimming maybe more difficult then my idea.

How much swim training is conducted for the Navy boot camp, before the test is taken. I am sure that those who can not swim are taken to the side and trained again and again until they pass (just as the Army does with it's phisical fittness test). The Navy would not just kick some one out with out training them to the minumum. I would like to know the racial ratio of extra training required for the Navy swim test.

Thanks for the post Dr.
on Oct 03, 2005
How much swim training is conducted for the Navy boot camp, before the test is taken. I am sure that those who can not swim are taken to the side and trained again and again until they pass (just as the Army does with it's phisical fittness test). The Navy would not just kick some one out with out training them to the minumum. I would like to know the racial ratio of extra training required for the Navy swim test.


That is "exactly" what they do. If you can't make it you are pulled aside and given one on one training. I saw one person that just could not make it while I was in boot camp. They washed him out. BTW there is no training given prior to the test. Or at least there wasn't in "75".
on Oct 03, 2005
BTW there is no training given prior to the test


LOL.. Go ahead man, just jump in to the deep pool and take the test. If you fail or can't swim, we'll just fish you out, give you CPR, then teach you to swim.
on Oct 04, 2005
I think he's disowned this article.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 04, 2005
I'm fascinated with how much attention my comment has gotten. I'm also pleased with how much has been brought forth to back me up.

As he is prone to do whenever someone firmly grasps his ankle and forces his foot into his mouth.Kingbee policy for rebuttals-that-can't-be-disputed...Never acknowledge they were made.Never rebump the thread yourself.Hope it sinks quickly so as few people as possible witness it.pssst....here little bee...(tosses out race...er...bee bait)A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE CAN'T SWIM!(lurches off, laughing maniacally, quasimodo-style...mwuuaahhaahaa, mwuaaahhhaahaa)


I'll keep a look out for this!
on Oct 04, 2005

i've yet to see similar effort on the part of the online sources you seem to consider more credible.

Like Dan Rather's Mea Culpa?

Oh, Wait , we are still waiting for that.

on Oct 05, 2005
Stop being subtle so us dumb folk can understand - just what is your point? There was a horrid, frenzied all-media screw-up of epic proportions hyping all sorts of shit that apparently never happened, and you're upset at a couple of JU bloggers and Fox News?


bad enough reporters & correspondents on location got caught up in the hysteria and lost their heads, perspective and sense. even worse that their producers & editors, who shoulda demanded reality rather than rumor, didn't.

in the case of fox news, misfeasance became malfeasance (suffice to say at some point in the midst of all this, geraldo was their most reasonable voice).

does motivation mitigate the damage? i doubt the people who were shuttled thru gretna at gunpoint would say so. nor would any of those who were forced to endure even an hour of additional misery as a consequence of someone deliberately and gleefully exploiting--for whatever purpose--those images everyone saw 'live' over and over again.

sadly the harm done by all that global gossip- and rumormongering wasn't limited only to a few extra days of torment and trauma. apologies and a willingness to try and set the record straight can't unring the 'look what these animals are doing now' bell still resonating in the heads of those who were already receptive to that frequency (including those ju bloggers who jumped at the chance to add their voices to the chorus).

something--no matter how imperfect--is still better than nothing.

and i guess that's my point. no matter how badly you disparage the so-called mainstream media, at least they've admitted they screwed the pooch and made an effort--not nearly enough of an effort in my opinion--to retract their own bullshit and provide the more accurate reporting they shoulda done.

as weak a remedy as that may be, it's a lot more than fox news has done.

so what? so...their inaction helps support the sorta nonsense gp quoted--not to mention contributing moral support (more like immoral support) to truly malevolent groups like the conservative citizen's council (whidh really is the reincarnation of the white citizens' councils ).

i don't believe i've seen anything similar from those who whipped up a frenzy of outrage in ju. nor do i expect to.

kick em when they're up...kick em when they're down.
on Oct 05, 2005
I think he's disowned this article


i'd hope you know better. it's not my fault the one-dimensional non-cyber world keeps interfering with real life.
on Oct 05, 2005
As he is prone to do whenever someone firmly grasps his ankle and forces his foot into his mouth.

Kingbee policy for rebuttals-that-can't-be-disputed...

Never acknowledge they were made.
Never rebump the thread yourself.
Hope it sinks quickly so as few people as possible witness it.


He does it all the time, it must be a technique they teach in "Ju Liberal School" or something. Myrrander does it, dabe does it, Mano does it (although he finds it oh-so-difficult because he loves to comment on his own articles so damn much) and even Old Bean (er, I mean Gene) employs this tactic.

I guess the words "Ok, so I was wrong." are just too bitter to contemplate, so instead, they stick their heads in the sand and pretend it just didn't happen.

Hmm, it's very similar to their foreign policy, too.


since its such a chronic failing on my part, i'm sure you'll be able to offer some evidence of me doing any such thing.

otherwise...
on Oct 05, 2005
I'm impressed KingBee... You get more blog action not even showing up than I do being active!! ;~D
on Oct 05, 2005
Since every news organization "went way overboard," this reveals you to be full of yourself, arrogant and truly bigoted, characteristics I hadn't previously associated with you. Your indignation is just a tad too selective


after considering the above for as much time as it's taken me to get back to it and as objectively as i'm able, all i'm gonna say is: you're welcome to your opinion. while i'm not at all happy you see things the way you've described them, i don't agree with you. i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with you over it tho.
on Oct 05, 2005
You get more blog action not even showing up than I do being active!! ;~D


it's a gift.
on Oct 05, 2005
Because to even NOTICE any difference between the races nowadays is to risk being labeled a racist, Para.


no, making ridiculous claims based on race is racist.

kingbee, you sound more and more like the various knee-jerk reactionaries that post here, (like Mano and dabe) every single day.

When stating a simple truth, like "many blacks don't swim" becomes a racist statement in your mind, I think the time has come to ask yourself if you arent the racist one, after all.


unless they've redefined 'reactionary', what you've said and what you meant to say are very likely in opposition to each other.

as far as the sources you've cited, the death-by-drowning stats may be accurate...and there's no disputing the ridiculously absurd and cruel extent to which white america went to demonstrate its lack of faith in chlorine and its fervent belief that skin pigment aint colorfast in water.

the problem is those numbers and that history are true only in a specific culture and society. they don't say shit about racial difference...and they aren't applicable or valid anywhere else in the world but places where white racism has held sway in that particular manner.
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