Paranoiac Or Perceptive?

Fool Me Once...

Published on December 24, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

no, i don't know anyone who's suffered as a consequence of this administration's decision to defy the congress and judiciary by monitoring our communications.

i do know someone who's in custody and subject to being deported for a drug-related felony because the government claims she isn't a citizen. she was born on a us military base in germany to parents who were both us citizens.

i also know former admiral poindexter's proposal for the tia was voted down by our representatives and should never have been implemented.

in my opinion, those of you who keep apologizing/defending the bush/cheney/gonzales ongoing attempt to empower themselves by subverting the constitution and at our collective expense seem unable to expand your focus from each individual tree and finally see the forest springing up around you.

this is only the latest in a series of similar abberations spanning the past 4 years.

and i'm not even counting bush's '...you can't get fooled again' nonsense among them

Comments

drmiler

on Dec 24, 2005

I do know someone who's in custody and subject to being deported for a drug-related felony because the government claims she isn't a citizen. she was born on a us military base in germany to parents who were both us citizens.

There is something basically wrong with this statement. If as you say she was born on a military base. Then there has to be a paper trail. All that she should have to do is produce the documentation. Is she holding a german citizenship? That would cause a deportation.

kingbee

on Dec 24, 2005

There is something basically wrong with this statement. If as you say she was born on a military base

it would certainly seem wrong. but that's the patriot act for ya. to the best of my knowledge she doesn't claim dual citizenship. the only good news (as good as news can be once you've lost your job, most of your possessions, your residence and a great deal of money) is if germany refuses to accept her, it's possible she'll be released.

apparently there's no legal mechanism to force a deportee upon another country. yet.

drmiler

on Dec 25, 2005

There is something basically wrong with this statement. If as you say she was born on a military base

it would certainly seem wrong. but that's the patriot act for ya. to the best of my knowledge she doesn't claim dual citizenship. the only good news (as good as news can be once you've lost your job, most of your possessions, your residence and a great deal of money) is if germany refuses to accept her, it's possible she'll be released.

apparently there's no legal mechanism to force a deportee upon another country. yet.

What about the paper trail? Does she have one?

Dr Guy

on Dec 25, 2005

I also know several in the same situation during the Clinton Administration. Want to excuse them because they are not Bush?

kingbee

on Dec 25, 2005

I also know several in the same situation during the Clinton Administration

do tell.

since the basis for this woman's detention on terminal island came into being upon enactment of the patriot act, i'd be very interested in knowing how it was done prior to 2002.

kingbee

on Dec 26, 2005

What about the paper trail? Does she have one?

i've not discussed her case with her counsel (nor am i likely to do so). i met her several years ago thru a mutual friend who is in regular contact with her. i asked the same questions of our mutual friend when i first heard about all of this. by way of response, our friend told me the woman has documentation evidencing her birthplace and the citizenship status of her parents. apparently the government's claim asserts the woman's felony conviction constitutes an indirect or implicit renunciation of citizenship.

Slanderer

on Dec 26, 2005

Why am I remind of the article that the constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper" article. It was so banal it was fitting. All I can say is if you are concerned with the current grab for liberty I would watch how gonzales replaces "president" with "commander in chief" in an attempt to perpetuate wartime powers. He's sneaky enough to try.

Dr Guy

on Dec 26, 2005

since the basis for this woman's detention on terminal island came into being upon enactment of the patriot act, i'd be very interested in knowing how it was done prior to 2002.

because nothing you state was brought about by the patriot act. Non citizens, convicted of Felonies are deported, The Patriot Act does not define Citizenship. Or did you miss that part.

Do tell.

kingbee

on Dec 26, 2005

Non citizens, convicted of Felonies are deported,

if only one of your parents is a citizen serving in the military and you're born on a us military base, you're hardly a non-citizen. in theory anyways.

drmiler

on Dec 27, 2005

if only one of your parents is a citizen serving in the military and you're born on a us military base, you're hardly a non-citizen. in theory anyways.

Not necessarily so. There are conditions to that. Most especially if she was not born in the "base" hospital.

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