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Published on December 11, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

got some GOOD NEWS for all yall american conservatives (and others) who so fervently despise racial quotas, affirmative action and them damn non-european 'dash americans'  (afro-americans, african-americans, mexican-americans,etc as opposed to perfectly good ol' german-, irish-, italian-, even franco-americans).

and it don't have a thing to do with geico neither.

fact is, you have an ideological ally in, of all places, france.

in the aftermath of last month's 14 days of rioting in france, the french government is in a quandry.  even if it wanted to cop to having significant racism and discrimination issues--the kind one might suspect following two weeks of unruly mobs torching cars and other property to protest being the victims of racism and discrimination--it's unable to do so.

facts such as these

Link :

  • there are no African or Arab heads of companies on the benchmark CAC 40 stock index. No member of parliament from France, excluding non-European territories, is black or Arab
  • Towns largely populated by immigrants and their families have youth unemployment rates as high as 40 percent, more than four times the national average
  • Only 0.6 percent of the 5.2 million people with government jobs in France are of North African background

are pretty much irrelevant because france has no idea how many of its citizens are of african, arab or eropean origin because that kinda data isn't solicited nor maintained to insure absolute equality for all.  in france, there are no morrocan-french, algerian-french or tunisan-french. 

"Discrimination against North Africans and blacks, to call them by their names, whether they are French or not, is widely practiced with impunity,'' Roger Fauroux, head of a commission on discrimination in the workplace, wrote in a Sept. 8 report handed to the labor and housing ministry

"In France it is unthinkable to ask people their religion or ethnic origin, so it is very difficult to measure the efficiency of any initiatives,'' Fauroux said.

Catherine Wihtol de Wenden, research director at the Center of International Studies and Research in Paris, calls this lack of statistical references a ``blindspot'' at the center of the national debate over integration

'but meez de wendon,' i can hear yall asking. 'eez non theez 'blindspot' un vrai good theeng because eet eez un blindspot du colour?  eez theez not zee way to guar-rawn-tee every ceet-ez-zen zee right to leev free from le grande frere's meddleeng?'

it's not often one gets an opportunity to see how things coulda been if only the powers what be had the good sense to listen.  thanks to your ol buddy france,  perhaps we won't have to expend so much energy arguing those points--at least for a lil while--nor be forced to learn these lessons by experience rather than example. 


Comments
on Dec 11, 2005
WOA!!!!! Kingbee... you trying to put the klan and its supporters out of business or what???
if you take away the hyphen... eventually you take away the hatred that goes with it... might take awhile, but it will happen.
on Dec 11, 2005
I don't get it. How is that "good news" for conservatives?

After all, we conservatives don't care whether anybody is black or an Arab or whatever. We also don't take into account cultural differences or anything like that.

From a conservative point of view, the fact (as it may be) that the French parliament has no black or Arab MPs is odd in one way and, I think, symptomatic of a liberal country in another.

In modern liberalism, people seem to have their places. Blacks and Arabs have special cultures and must be protected, and whites sit in parliament.

In modern conservatism, no race and no minority culture deserves special protection and everything is open to all; hence we have female prime ministers, female federal chancellors, and female (and black) secretaries of state.

on Dec 11, 2005

afro-americans

That is a hair do, not an ethnicity.

on Dec 11, 2005
if you take away the hyphen... eventually you take away the hatred that goes with it... might take awhile, but it will happen.


actually the code words most commonly used to ensure inclusion or assert superiority, ie 'white american' are rarely hyphenated.
on Dec 11, 2005
we conservatives don't care whether anybody is black or an Arab or whatever. We also don't take into account cultural differences or anything like that.


for just over 40 years, some americans--mostly those who consider themselves conservatives--have been using the same argument to do away with laws intended to determine how many of our citizens are members of racial minorities and what percentage of the total population those groups represent.

From a conservative point of view, the fact (as it may be) that the French parliament has no black or Arab MPs is odd in one way and, I think, symptomatic of a liberal country in another.


it's symptomatic of a country claiming to be free of discrimination.

In modern liberalism, people seem to have their places.


in that respect, i guess america circa 187? to 1965 was a bastion of modern lieralism cuz whites, blacks, jews, catholics, asians, latinos and others all had their own places. whites' places were in public office, at the front of the bus and anywhere else they preferred to be. everyone else got what was left.

In modern conservatism, no race and no minority culture deserves special protection and everything is open to all; hence we have female prime ministers, female federal chancellors, and female (and black) secretaries of state


and yet, france--alone among its european peers and america in putting those unselfish ideals into practice by outlawing the collection of statistics to identify minorities, thus making it impossible for anyone in france to accurately determine how well minorities are represented (or not) in government or industry--doesn't have any of those things you mention.
on Dec 11, 2005
That is a hair do, not an ethnicity


google the word and you'll find 2+ million hits. at least the first 30 have nothing to do with hair styles or anything else but ethnicity.

i'm sure you'll have some hair-brained (sic) explanation for that as well.
on Dec 12, 2005
My doctor won't give me pain meds, because I'd need them forever. That's why most feel that affirmative action just makes a dependant class instead of allowing society to adapt on its own. France is adapting. You don't want riots, treat people well.
on Dec 12, 2005
you do appreciate the irony i hope. they can't determine by percentage how underrepresented minorities are because in france there is no such thing as a minority by decree.
on Dec 12, 2005
Sure I appreciate it to a point. What if you have ten Indian employees, all who speak flawless French and pee chapagne, and yet you turn away anyone with an accent or who insists on wearing their cultural dress? You'd still end up with ghettos full of minority, second-class French citizens that can't get jobs. Can affirmative action help with that?

I think you'd find greater similarities between our biases against immigrant culture. "Lurn to speek the durn langwitch" instead of race. Caucasian immigrants suffer a lot of grief when they move here, too. There are a lot of Americans and Frenchmen that would hire totally "cleansed" minorities, but those same people refuse to tolerate folks who come here and want to live the same way they did in other countries.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe racism is rampant there, but historically the French have been very open minded racially. Culturally, though, you could be indistinguishable from your average Frenchmen and still be a lesser being if you wore something "different" and were deemed to be watering down the great Ur-Franco cultural supremacy.