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Are You That Opposed to "Opposed" ?
Published on November 18, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

 right in the middle of last year's crusade to keep christmas from being 'banned', an already ban-concious public was alarmed and outraged by news of a public school in cupertino, california 'banning' the constitution.

as it turned out, the school hadn't banned anything (a teacher who made the claim after being disciplined by his principal for repeatedly violating a directive entered into a settlement in which the school denied any wrongdoing). 

despite a flurry of furious articles condemning an initiative recently adopted by a majority of resident voters, neither has the city of san francisco.

unless they've done revised the dictionary, 'oppose' doesn't come close to meaning the same thing as 'ban'. 

here's the relevant portion of the legal text of proposition i as it appeared on the ballot: Link

Resolved, that the people of San Francisco oppose U.S. military recruiters using public school, college and university facilities to recruit young people into the armed forces. Furthermore, San Francisco should oppose the military’s “economic draft” by investigating means by which to fund and grantscholarships for college and job training to low-income students so they are noteconomically compelled to join the military. Resolved, that the people of San Francisco oppose U.S. military recruiters using public school, college and university facilities to recruit young people into the armed forces. Furthermore, San Francisco should oppose the military’s "economic draft" by investigating means by which to fund and grant scholarships for college and job training to low-income students so they are not economically compelled to join the military.

note the absence of the word 'ban' or any of its alternates.

here's the way the city of san francisco's ballot simplification committee explained the issue and the effects of prop i: Link

THE WAY IT IS NOW:  The San Francisco Unified School District operates the City's public schools.  The District receives federal money to pay part of its operating costs.  By accepting federal money, the District must permit U.S. military recruiters access to its schools.  Colleges and universities that receive federal funds are subject to similar requirements.

THE PROPOSAL:  Proposition I is a declaration of policy that the people of San Francisco oppose the federal government's use of public schools to recruit students for service in the military.

Proposition I is also a declaration that San Francisco should consider funding scholarships for higher education and job training that could provide an alternative to military service.

A “YES” VOTE MEANS:  If you vote “yes,” you want it to be City policy to oppose military recruiters’ access to public schools and to consider funding scholarships for education and training that could provide an alternative to military service.

A “NO” VOTE MEANS:  If you vote “no,” you do not want this to be City policy

it's not even thanksgiving and you're already expending perfectly good outrage to oppose an opposing?   i hate to offer unsolicited advice but...if you don't conserve (heh) your energy, you may peak too quickly.  in that event, this could be the year athiests succeed in banning such sacred heathen claptrap as candycanes and stockings fulla coal.


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on Nov 18, 2005
Not only is it the school thing, they are proposing economic incentives to young people who DON'T join the military


it wouldnt bother me at all if their effort to counter the military's incentives results in those incentives being increased.
on Nov 18, 2005
You "do" realize of course that it's against "FEDERAL LAW" for SF to deny military recruiters access to school grounds?


of course i "do". despite all the lies from people like o'reilly (and the lying liars who lie with him) nobody is denying them anything.
on Nov 18, 2005
MM doing da lockstep a new dance craze... do das do du dah bomp shoop shoop da ling brang... jazzin to the beat...


hi everybody
i'm moderateman and i'm from modesto, ca
i don't only sing, but i dance just as good as i walk.

up here in modesto, i just started a new dance
called the tighten up..er...i mean the lockstep
this is the music we lockstep with.
c'mon fellas...
on Nov 18, 2005

Common sense was.


appears to be a personal problem. if i were you, i'd file an appeal

Not needed.  Mine was not. I did not vote, nor was eligible to in SF.  Better tell your slugs there to do that.

on Nov 18, 2005
Ok, fair enough. I "oppose" the use of any federal funds, assets or personnel to be used in the anti US sewer known as San Francisco


personally i'm much more opposed to using federal funds to pressure schools or any other collector of personal information to release data to anyone without proof of immediate critical need and some mechanism to ensure it will be properly protected.
on Nov 18, 2005

of course i "do". despite all the lies from people like o'reilly (and the lying liars who lie with him) nobody is denying them anything.

Nice!  You decide an idiot has more intelligence than you do!  A documented idiot at that!

When you get your brain back, debate us.  We dont debate mental defects posing as talk show hosts,

on Nov 18, 2005
Thanks for the details, kb. There is a difference and the words "ban" & "banned" should never have been used in discussing the resolution. The resolution is no less idiotic, however, for the absence of language which specifically or intentionally conflicts with federal law.

economically compelled to join the military.


????????????????? What the hell is that?

i doubt it's gonna be utilized much by any reputable 'post secondary educational institutions' or 'prospective employers.'


You don't really mean this do you, KB? Those two groups have been paying for such information for years.

In the spirit of democracy freely exercised and as a token of fellow citizenship, I join Ted in opposing giving any of my tax dollars to the City of San Francisco.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 18, 2005
Those two groups have been paying for such information for years.


maybe it's just the the scam artist in me, but i strongly suspect any post-secondary educational institutions and potential employers who wanna get their hands on a list of all hs juniors and seniors are most likely to be the kind with a parking lot "campus" or an office sans street address.
on Nov 18, 2005
personally i'm much more opposed to using federal funds to pressure schools or any other collector of personal information to release data to anyone without proof of immediate critical need and some mechanism to ensure it will be properly protected.


Actually KingBee, I would agree with you there. But only if it were applied to every organization.

btw, you might just take #13 back from me if you keep responding to each comment separately. You little points whore! ;~D
on Nov 18, 2005
called the tighten up..


there is that sense of humor,,,,,, da da dat dat tighten up... do do do do,,
on Nov 19, 2005
maybe it's just the the scam artist in me, but i strongly suspect any post-secondary educational institutions and potential employers who wanna get their hands on a list of all hs juniors and seniors are most likely to be the kind with a parking lot "campus" or an office sans street address.
Not true KB, My eldest is a senior in HS and after they got the Pre-SAT results backduring his Junior year, he recieved a number of letters asking if he was interested in attending their school from places like MIT, U of Maine, Unity College, and a few others. The lists are released by the guidance counsellors to any accredited school that requests them. Then the colleges shotgun out letters asking "Hey! you interested?"

The competition for students really doesn't start till SAT and ACT results come out. We shall see. (I am hoping for him to be eligible for a Nat'l merit Scholarship)

He will register with selective service when he turns 18 but the odds of he or his little brother considering the military as an option are slim and none due to their own experiences with Dad being gone as much as he is around.
on the actual vote, you are saying they are just practicing a large scale form of mental masturbation since the resolution as worded can have no binding effect. (Sounds like S.F.)
on Nov 19, 2005
btw, you might just take #13 back from me if you keep responding to each comment separately. You little points whore! ;~D


it took me way too long to realize you weren't referring to reply #13. i guess i need a point pimp (or pimpette) to keep me focused.
on Nov 19, 2005
there is that sense of humor


it applies as easily and as well to you too.
on Nov 19, 2005
My eldest is a senior in HS and after they got the Pre-SAT results backduring his Junior year, he recieved a number of letters asking if he was interested in attending their school from places like MIT, U of Maine, Unity College, and a few others


first of all, congrats to you and your sons.

it makes sense reputable schools are trying to attract your oldest son. is it at all possible they get their target list from the testing companies rather than from his school?

at least 2/3 of his classmates aren't going to generate that kinda interest, right?

you are saying they are just practicing a large scale form of mental masturbation since the resolution as worded can have no binding effect


exactly.
on Nov 19, 2005
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