I May Have Been Wrong About Cindy Sheehan

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpha, Mea Maxima Culpa

Published on August 22, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

NOTICE: i realize myrrander staked out a position on sheehan's protest and then did a near 180° reversal; now i'm finding myself in the same position. i'm sure some of yall are gonna see this as flip-flopping but...hey i gotta be true to myself and while i can't speak for him, i'm sure myrrander does too.

on at least 2 (perhaps more) threads discussing the cindy sheehan protest outside the president's prarie chapel ranch in crawford, texas, i did my best to repudiate claims that ms sheehan was, at best, a blatant publcity seeker who was using her son's death as an excuse to embarrass her president.

at the time i was convinced i correctly perceived her actions as those of someone who was doing all she could to help the president see the errors of his policies.

while working on my next-to-newest article about the stones' concert Link , in which i expressed my surprise about california governor schwarzenegger's willingness to share his vip booth with anyone who tossed $100k into his campaign chest, i suddenly realized ms sheehan could have easily approached her mission in a much more effective manner without any of the drama or antagonism.

i'd totally forgotten the bush pioneers (those who collect $100k for bush-related campaigns) and, especially, the rangers ($200,000). all rangers get invites to the ranch as a reward for their efforts. in fact, a number of them have visited the ranch while cindy was standing out in the sun making a fool of herself.

if she REALLY wanted to talk to the president--and this wasn't just some big hollywood production directed by soros or warren beatty--she could very easily have become a ranger and been driven in a huge air-conditioned suv right in thru the front gate.

for those of you who are bout to start flaming me about how she's just an ordinary soon-to-be-ex-wife who is highly unlikely to have a lotta money lying around (since she don't own any oil extraction equipment nor is she a government contractor or anything like that) please hold your mouse long enuff to face reality.

she has-or soon will have--collected a fairly large sum of money from the government which, i believe, owes her a death benefit as a result of her son being killed in iraq. while i'm not sure exactly of the amount, it will surely be more than sufficient to pay for her ranger badge.

there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. sadly, cindy chose the latter.

Comments (Page 3)

drmiler

on Aug 23, 2005

No can do. I believe what I believe and I believe that bush is disgusting and I cannot understand why anyone backs this crook and his associates. If you cannot take my arguments seriously, then go do your own research instead of disagreeing with me on blind principle. But, I guess that's what blind patriotism is all about.

And we believe what we believe and it's not on blind faith as you suggest. Next time try to "finish" reading Daiwa's reply, before engauging your mouth.

You need to understand and accept that some people disagree with you on the basis of their independent judgment & arrive at positions based on something other than blind "faith", dabe. I can't take your arguments seriously or consider any substantive exchange with you on a topic until you acknowledge that someone could agree with President Bush about something without being a "sheeple" or a "Bushie". 'Course, I understand you may not give a rip, but just the same.

dabe

on Aug 23, 2005

drmiler, instead of wasting your energy to bash me, which is getting stupidly old, use your brain (such as it is) to make your own statements about the issue that kingbee posted. Sheesh.......... get a life.

drmiler

on Aug 23, 2005

I have one....do you?

Ionolast

on Aug 23, 2005

*yawn*

dabe

on Aug 23, 2005

Dr Guy

on Aug 23, 2005

I dont beleive he bashed you anywhere in the quoted response. He merely pointed out where you did not read all of the response and therefore your response was not on point.

Lee1776

on Aug 23, 2005

interesting observation. i'm guessing this applies to single women as well.

I really had not thought about it as male vs. female.

This observation is from a mixed gender unit though. If I ever have to do it again, I'll keep an eye out for the male/female ratio. Some times it is interesting to see the human psyche at work. Even though woman do have more issues with there mothers as a whole, I would have to say that the motherly factor may be the same no matter if a person is male or female.

Even though I started my career in all male units and later mixed, I have been conditioned by the Army and the facts of leading troops to ignore, adjust, or utilize all the qualities and types of soldiers issued to me. That's probably why I can't remember if there is a difference. PS: It is also my observation that females in the Army do not stay single for very long.

drmiler

on Aug 23, 2005

"If" and I do mean if I was bashing you....."you'd" be the first one to know it! Now lets get back on topic.

dabe

on Aug 23, 2005

I dont beleive he bashed you anywhere in the quoted response. He merely pointed out where you did not read all of the response and therefore your response was not on point.

I beg to differ. I read the entire response, and I responded as I saw fit. I have yet to see the dear dr respond to kingbee's article, instead of commenting on my response, with any thought that he may generates independently, if at all possible.

dabe

on Aug 23, 2005

Now lets get back on topic.

You're kidding, right?

kingbee

on Aug 23, 2005

i'm sorta at a loss here.

either karma's come early this year and all yall are puttin me on as payback...or there are some among us who truly have no problem with requiring or permitting (no difference between the two is there?) anyone--much less a parent whose son or daughter was killed in combat--to buy an audience with the president.

ParaTed2k

on Aug 23, 2005

Hey Kingbee, Money talks. It bought Miss Cindy her 15 minutes of fame, why shouldn't it buy a Ranger 15 minutes with the president. My boys were at the Boy Scout Jamboree where he spoke, and that wasn't free either. ;~D

I refuse to beat my head agaisnt a wall just because of a fact of life.

Lee1776

on Aug 23, 2005

Hay, KB.

Someone is paying for all those Anti-War TV ads with Cindy crying elephant tears on. I am sure they cost more then a presidential donors visit. It may seem rude to require cash, but both sides do it (unfortunately) and Cindy already got the chance to talk with the President free (a courtesy that not all families are afforded).

That is why I feel no sympathy for her. What she is doing now is completely political, so IMO she should pay the political dime system that the Democrat and Republican parties have required. I think it is a dirt system.

Daiwa

on Aug 23, 2005

No can do. I believe what I believe and I believe that bush is disgusting and I cannot understand why anyone backs this crook and his associates. If you cannot take my arguments seriously, then go do your own research instead of disagreeing with me on blind principle. But, I guess that's what blind patriotism is all about.

Talk about blind... hatred, that is. "Bush is disgusting" is the most ridiculous "debating point" or whatever you want to call it I've ever heard. You're far more juvenile in your thinking than I previously suspected. If you can't discuss an issue because it has George's cooties on it, you are in a very sad place and all I can do is pity you and hope you get well someday.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Dr Guy

on Aug 23, 2005

I beg to differ. I read the entire response, and I responded as I saw fit. I have yet to see the dear dr respond to kingbee's article, instead of commenting on my response, with any thought that he may generates independently, if at all possible.

Damn! You are positively civil! I am impressed!

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