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Well Only Rock, Refinance & An Honest Arnie Fundraiser
Published on August 22, 2005 By kingbee In Current Events

from the first time i heard them on record, i've always liked the rolling stones.

sometimes i've liked them way more than others.  their first four albums ('the rolling stones england's newest hitmakers', '12 x 5',  'out of our heads' & 'rolling stones now') contain cuts that are truly masterpieces of the genre.   but even when they were caught up in the silliness of trying to out-sergeant pepper the beatles as  'their satanic majesties' or their incursion into mid-70's androgyny  (or worse; for a short time, i worked in the same offices as angela bowie who assured everyone there that story bout mick and her former husband, david, was all too true) & disco, i respected their talent (and, yeah, i still liked em even then...just not as much).   'i miss you' may be the only truly worthwhile disco tune ever recorded (how's that for a backhanded compliment?).   

the stones bill themselves, quite justifiably in my opinion, as ' the world's greatest rock n roll band' and starting tonite, they're gonna put that title to the test.  their 'biggest bang' tour kicked off tonite at boston's fenway park.

in addition to being the greatest, they've spent decades cultivating a reputation for being the 'baddest boys of rock'.  it's a legacy to the marketing genius of their brilliant and equally notorious first manager--andrew loog oldman--who originally positioned them as the 'anti-beatles'.   life began imitating press soon enough.  in addition to luxuriating in their own excesses, they left more than a little death and destruction in their wake (the death of brian jones and downfall of anita pallenberg, marianne faithful, the incredible mick taylor as well as the insanity at altamont come to mind immediately).   richard's long-time addiction to opiates was legendary and his observation that 'street drugs are for pussies' says all ya need to know to gauge its extent.

admittedly they've mellowed some with age.  still i gotta wonder how and why they hooked up with their current tour's major promotional partner: ameriquest--a major mortgage corporation. 

mick jagger is, in addition to his many other talents, a shrewd and brilliant promoter. i don't know who his counterparts at ameriquest (or their agency) are but i'm truly bothered by the implications of this seemingly incongruous union.   have those of us who grew up under the stones' 'sway' now somehow blundered into becoming solid citizens?  or has ameriquest identified the generation behind us as a desirable market of potential mortgagees?  

i mean, seriously, what the hell is the message?

i first registered my confusion about this conundrum in the thread of gideon's article about garth brooks selling out to wal-mart.  Link.

it isn't solely the ameriquest/stones connection that's tweaking the world as i thought i knew it.  (one of the funniest quips i've seen in regard to this unholy alliance was a question posed by a reviewer who asked if the band would be playing 'hey you, get offa my lawn'?)

here's where it really gets nuts:

arnold schwarzenegger--the current governor of california--attended the kick-off concert (or planned to do so...i'm guessing he did cuz i haven't heard anything to the contrary). that part isn't earthshaking news.  i'd be willing to bet he learned at least a few words of english listening to the stones.  

the bizarre part is you coulda sat next to him tonite during the concert...assuming you were willing to kick in  a $100,000 contribution to the governator's upcoming campaign.  despite his solemn promises to the contrary, i don't think i'm being unreasonably skeptical in wondering if arnold isn't at least as big a whore as those professional politicians he so strongly repudiated prior to winning the recall election which put him in office.

not that he's neglecting the little guys...the average californian.  for $10,000, we coulda attended a pre-concert reception and maybe even waved at the big guy (i can't help feeling if i were sitting in the vip booth,  he'd pay a lot more attention to a pitch for my scheme to help the state get rid of some of our surplus money).  as a consolation, the $10k also entitled you to get closer to mick and the boys (altho they really cant help you push thru your pet project.)

altho i've attended my share of aftershow backstage parties  (or perhaps because of that fact), i can't even imagine what tonite's will be like.   responding to my comment on gid's thread, daiwa mentioned he hadda friend who served as the band's physician at a stone's concert in arizona during the very early 80s and this friend told him the stones were very aptly named.    even tho they're all supposedly cleaned up now,  i keep remembering a lyric from the jagger/richard tune 'respectable'...and wondering if keith will be 'talking heroin with the governor...yes it's a problem sir we don't have no more'.    

jak sie mazc


Comments
on Aug 22, 2005
My wife saw that commercial the other day and asked me what I thought would happen when Mick Jagger died. I told her corporations don't die. They are a bonafide 'brand', and stopped being a 'band' a long time ago. I don't even think Mick Jagger is in charge anymore. I don't know if they have a board of directors or investors or what, but the last figure I heard for what "The Rolling Stones" was definately enough to be a pain in the butt. I don't see them as the kind of folks that like planning and pushing numbers much.

I saw them in 1982, their supposed "last" tour for Tattoo You. I was twelve and went with my parents. I think I got where you are when I heard the second or third last tour after that. Anyway, if I wanted to see the real thing, I'd go see Tina Turner.
on Aug 22, 2005
unless things have changed dramatically, mick is still managing the band. as recently as 2-3 years back, he was still personally involved in tour schedules, production (including stage design), all their music deals, etc. apparently there was a reason he majored in economics. in a way he's the exact opposite of his persona.

the ameriquest sponsorship works great for the stones i guess. i just don't know how or why ameriquest bought into it. you wanna see something that's equally disturbing check this out Link i believe that's chuck woolery helpin folks do the math to figure out if they can qualify.

as far as seeing tina goes, i'm sure they're nothin like when she and ike were still together. her solo material is so vastly different if nothing else. the only act of which i'm aware (2nd hand but the guy who told me about them is rarely wrong) that might possibly be considered the real thing these days is sharon jones with the dap-kings Link (there are mp3 samples available...if ya go, be sure to check out 'stranded in your love' even tho it cuts off just as it really takes off).
on Aug 22, 2005
Ameriquest sees the same thing that many music festivals and other marketers know. Babyboomers have more expendible income than any other demographic. The Stones see what they have always seen... A way for someone else to pay the expenses of a tour. Both get to do what they do best; Ameriquest invests megabucks for megaprofits (in as close to a sure thing as it gets) and Mick and the boys get to play shows for fans.

OPM is the the dirty little (yet not so well kept) secret explaining the motivations of both sides.

(((OPM = Other People's Money)))
on Aug 22, 2005
Surely you're aware that a lot more money is required to pay for a big tour these days? A lot of bands squandered a lot of their money years ago.

I have the Tina Turner One Last Time in Concert DVD. I love it.
on Aug 22, 2005
Babyboomers have more expendible income than any other demographic. The Stones see what they have always seen... A way for someone else to pay the expenses of a tour. Both get to do what they do best; Ameriquest invests megabucks for megaprofits (in as close to a sure thing as it gets) and Mick and the boys get to play shows for fans.

OPM is the the dirty little (yet not so well kept) secret explaining the motivations of both sides


i understand the principle very well; i've been responsible for more than a few, hopefully less tenuous marriages of marketing opportunity and i've publicized enough that i truly am only able to recall some of them when clued.

at what point did the answer to 'when i think stones, i think ________' change from 'beer and a hot car' to 'equity loan to pay off my cards and redo the driveway'?
on Aug 22, 2005
I have the Tina Turner One Last Time in Concert DVD. I love


don't misunderstand me. tina is pretty high up the list of american artistic national treasures. it's just there's a world of difference between ike & tina and the ikettes and private dancer.
on Aug 22, 2005
at what point did the answer to 'when i think stones, i think ________' change from 'beer and a hot car' to 'equity loan to pay off my cards and redo the driveway'?


Probably somewhere around the time that, "On the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadilac... a little voice inside my head said, 'don't look back, you can never look back" ;~D
on Aug 22, 2005
Two words - Joan Osborne.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Aug 23, 2005
Joan Osborne


you're suggesting joan as a replacement for the stones or someone who could possibly match them? she's very impressive but i'm not sure any single person could do it.
on Aug 23, 2005
i can hardly wait for the ameriquest commercial that's based on this:

And there's a score of harebrained children
They're all locked in the nursery
They got earphone heads they got dirty necks
They're so 20th century
Well they queue up for the bathroom
'Round about 7:35
Don'cha think we need a woman's touch to make it come alive?

Come on now, honey
We can build a home for three
Come on now, honey
Don't you wanna live with me?

Don'cha think there's a place for us
Right across the street
Don'cha think there's a place for you,
In between the sheets