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How To Keep Em Down On The Farm After They've Seen Karballa
Published on July 1, 2005 By kingbee In Current Events

asserting the naval base at guantanamo, cuba isn't legally 'american soil' is such an outrageous reversal of realty  it aint difficult for me to imagine those who first conceived the scam buying into it themselves. 

thing is, you can hire wolfgang puck to make a pie outta mooseshit and, a great chef like puck may be able to whip  up something that looks and smells just like boysenberry.   sooner or later, though, all but your most gullible guests are gonna realize you're serving em mooseshit..

for over 100 years, we've been leasing 45 square miles of cuban territory for the express and limited purpose of using it as a naval refueling station.  it's an unusual lease in that we extorted it --with the complicity of an american citizen who served as the first president of cuba--by means of a rider to the us army appropriations bill of 1901 which came to be known as the platt agreement.

platt required cuba to lease guantanmo to the us in perpetuity.  it also required cuba to incorporate the platt agreement  into the new cuban  constitution.  until both provisions were fulfilled, the platt agreement ordered the us military to continue occupying  and controling cuba..   

think about that for a second.  we invaded cuba to depose a tyrant.   determined  to promote democracy & freedom afterwards. we required the new cuban government to draw up a constitution. not just any constitution tho. their constitution must not only consist of all that usual constitutional stuff.  it's also gotta  include the sacred text of a rider to an otherwise totally forgettable us congressional appropriations bill. (if you're an iraqi, don't read this paragraph; if you do read it despite my warning, hey...any similarities you may notice are prolly just coincidental.)

one needn't  be a paralegal or to have lived in rental housing to appreciate some of the basics of a property lease. thanks to television, you know if the cops bust your door down and find drugs under the bed,  your landlord ain't gonna be goin to jail no matter how adamantly you insist  the stuff was found on 'his soil'.

so why maintain the charade?   we can--and should--move them detainees outta cuba and onto the much more secure heart of the usa.where there's 0 chance theyll be able to escape,  jump off a cliff and swim back to the mid-east..

i know a place that would be perfect even tho it's barely  035% the size of gitmo.  shouldn't be a problem tho since detaining prisoners really don't require drydocks and all the other crap you find on a naval base.  there will need to be some improvements--buildings, bunks, etc, a fence, some guard towers, a lotta razorwire--and it's gonna be a job puttin everything together 

that's why god gave us kellog, brown & root.

they've done a lotta work on the detention facilities in guantanamo since 2000,when kbr was selected to  build  two excellent camps, capable of housing 816 terrorists  (amazing how someone anticipated a need for em back in 2000 huh?).   in return for its efforts on our behalf,  kbr charged us nearly 100 million bucks.   a bit pricey?  well, the two newest prisons in california cost between more than 400 million bucks to construct so a mill is a bargain.  or it would be if guantanamo held anywhere near the 7000 inmates whom those two california prisons are designed to house. 

i'm sure some will find it upsetting that the government didn't select a better contractor.  after all, dick cheney was ceo of halliburton when the contract was awarded.    there's good news for yall (and it aint that i saved a buncha money on my car insurance by switching to geico): kbr IS halliburton.  if the detainees are transferred, i'm sure kbr will be much less expensive.  unless, it turns out that building a detention camp here really is completely unlike building one in cuba.

rather than getting hung up on silly stuff like money, lemme describe to you some of the features and benefits unique to my suggested relocation location.

first of all, it's in texas--a state that takes no crap from criminals which is what terrorists are.  don't get the wrong idea tho.   this isn't about breaking these men.  or not 100% anyway.  it's also about putting them in a place where they can see for themselves the difference between their evildoers culture in contrast to the yellow roses and lone stars of texas.

even the name of the site is gonna prove helpful.   prairie chapel ranch.

sounds a LOT like little house on the prairie don't it? 

ranches evoke a much more positive image than detention centers, of course.  they also have lots of chores needing doing.  the head honcho at this ranch ain't much on work unless he's having his picture taken..and i'm sure he'd welcome 1048 (give or take a few) helping hands.  if we learned anything from the texas penal farm system it's this: given enuff hard farm work, even the meanest ol boy eventually comes around.  do this now and by the time 2015 rolls around, im guessing the citizens of crawford, texas will have taken muhammed or hrakim or whatever their names are to heart and vice versa. 

wouldnt surprise me a bit to learn  the band playin over to one of them joints accrost the  line from the dry county in which both crawford and the  prairie chapel ranch are situated was none other than  'allah wills & the jihadi playboys'


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on Jul 01, 2005

bump em the hell outta there.

on Jul 01, 2005

The U.S. government obtained a perpetual lease that began on February 23, 1903 from the newly independent Cuban state. The terms hold that the U.S., for the purposes of operating coaling and naval stations, has "complete jurisdiction and control" of the area, while the Republic of Cuba is recognized to retain ultimate sovereignty.

Source: Answers.com

on Jul 01, 2005

Time To Move Detainees From Guantanamo to...


How To Keep Em Down On The Farm After They've Seen Karballa

By: kingbee
Posted: 7/1/2005 7:06:59 PM on Al-Fahryd-i-Nhumon
asserting the naval base at guantanamo, cuba isn't legally 'american soil' is such an outrageous reversal of realty




Argue all you want but it still ain't so. Source is Wikipedia.


Legal status
The peculiar legal status of Guantanamo Bay was a factor in the choice of Guantanamo as a detention center. Because sovereignty of Guantanamo Bay ultimately resides with Cuba
on Jul 01, 2005

platt required cuba to lease guantanmo to the us in perpetuity. it also required cuba to incorporate the platt agreement into the new cuban constitution. until both provisions were fulfilled, the platt agreement ordered the us military to continue occupying and controling cuba..



Just an FYI.... the "platt agreement" was "REPEALED" by the US in 1934.


Platt Amendment, 1903
By Senator Orville Platt
May 19, 2004, 11:38am


At the end of the Spanish-American War in 1898, the United States found itself in control of several overseas territories, including Cuba. (see the de me letter) In April of 1898, Senator Henry M. Teller, of Colorado, proposed an amendment to the United State declaration of war against Spain, which stated that the United States would not establish permanent control over Cuba. The Senate adopted the amendment on April 19.
Read more on the Teller Amendment


By Navy JOC John F Williams 8/22/03
Nonetheless, the occupation of Cuba by U.S. troops continued for several years after the war was over. Under the military governor, Gen. Leonard Wood, a school system was organized, finances were set in order, and significant progress was made in eliminating yellow fever. In July 1900, the Constitutional Convention of Cuba started its deliberations and was notified that the U.S. Congress intended to attach an amendment to the Cuban Constitution. In 1901, Secretary of War Elihu Root drafted a set of articles as guidelines for future United StateCuban relations. This set of articles became known as the Platt Amendment, after Senator Orville Platt of Connecticut, who presented it. He sponsored this amendment as a rider attached to the Army Appropriations Bill of 1901. Cubans reluctantly included the amendment, which virtually made Cuba a U.S. protectorate, in their constitution. The Platt Amendment was also incorporated in a permanent treaty between the United States and Cuba.

The Platt Amendment stipulated the conditions for U.S. intervention in Cuban affairs and permitted the United States to lease or buy lands for the purpose of the establishing naval bases (the main one was Guannamo Bay) and coaling stations in Cuba. It barred Cuba from making a treaty that gave another nation power over its affairs, going into debt, or stopping the United States from imposing a sanitation program on the island. Specifically, Article III required that the government of Cuba consent to the right of the United States to intervene in Cuban affairs forthe preservation of Cuban independence, the maintenance of a government adequate for the protection of life, property, and individual liberty, and for discharging the obligations with respect to Cuba imposed by the Treaty of Paris on the United States, now to be assumed and undertaken by the Government of Cuba The Platt Amendment supplied the terms under which the United States intervened in Cuban affairs in 1906, 1912, 1917, and 1920. By 1934, rising Cuban nationalism and widespread criticism of the Platt Amendment resulted in its repeal as part of Franklin D. Roosevelt's Good Neighbor policy toward Latin America. The United States, however, retained its lease on Guannamo Bay, where a naval base was established.


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on Jul 01, 2005
The terms hold that the U.S., for the purposes of operating coaling and naval stations, has "complete jurisdiction and control" of the area, while the Republic of Cuba is recognized to retain ultimate sovereignty.

Source: Answers.com


Argue all you want but it still ain't so. Source is Wikipedia.


and this is from chapter 3 of the history of guantanamo bay published by the navy at Link nsgtmo.navy.mil/gazette/History_98-64/


In all provisions regarding the Guantanamo area, the original agreement (February 1903) and the supplementary agreement were later confirmed by the Treaty of 1934 between the United States and Cuba, signed at Washington on 29 May 1934. A copy is appended for reference. This treaty has the effect of giving the United States a perpetual lease on this reservation, capable of being voided only by our abandoning the area or by mutual agreement between the two countries. The so-called "Platt Amendment," which gave the United States the right to intervene in Cuba, died with this treaty. Bahia Honda was not mentioned, having long since been abandoned.

Thus it is clear that at Guantanamo Bay we have a Naval reservation which, for all practical purposes, is American territory. Under the foregoing agreements, the United States has for approximately fifty years exercised the essential elements of sovereignty over this territory, without actually owning it. Unless we abandon the area or agree to a modification of the terms of our occupancy, we can continue in the present status as long as we like. Persons on the reservation are amenable only to United States legislative enactments. There are a few restrictions on our freedom of action, but they present no serious problem. We may not use the reservation for other than a naval station; we have agreed not to interfere with the passage of vessels engaged in Cuban trade; private enterprise is forbidden on the reservation; and we are obligated to prevent the smuggling of materials and merchandise into Cuban territory.


more pie anyone?
on Jul 02, 2005
moving em onto the ranch could be lots easier thanks to that new eminent domain decision
on Jul 02, 2005
The terms hold that the U.S., for the purposes of operating coaling and naval stations, has "complete jurisdiction and control" of the area, while the Republic of Cuba is recognized to retain ultimate sovereignty.

Source: Answers.com


Argue all you want but it still ain't so. Source is Wikipedia.


and this is from chapter 3 of the history of guantanamo bay published by the navy at Link nsgtmo.navy.mil/gazette/History_98-64/


In all provisions regarding the Guantanamo area, the original agreement (February 1903) and the supplementary agreement were later confirmed by the Treaty of 1934 between the United States and Cuba, signed at Washington on 29 May 1934. A copy is appended for reference. This treaty has the effect of giving the United States a perpetual lease on this reservation, capable of being voided only by our abandoning the area or by mutual agreement between the two countries. The so-called "Platt Amendment," which gave the United States the right to intervene in Cuba, died with this treaty. Bahia Honda was not mentioned, having long since been abandoned.

Thus it is clear that at Guantanamo Bay we have a Naval reservation which, for all practical purposes, is American territory. Under the foregoing agreements, the United States has for approximately fifty years exercised the essential elements of sovereignty over this territory, without actually owning it. Unless we abandon the area or agree to a modification of the terms of our occupancy, we can continue in the present status as long as we like. Persons on the reservation are amenable only to United States legislative enactments. There are a few restrictions on our freedom of action, but they present no serious problem. We may not use the reservation for other than a naval station; we have agreed not to interfere with the passage of vessels engaged in Cuban trade; private enterprise is forbidden on the reservation; and we are obligated to prevent the smuggling of materials and merchandise into Cuban territory.

more pie anyone?


The USN can talk smack all they want. They do not have a legal leg to stand on after the "Platt agreement" was repealed! We are NOT there by their invatation like we would be "if" it were an embassy. BTW did you bother to read the last part of my quote? It was "issued" by the United States Navy Joint Operations Center! Now would "you" like a piece of pie?

Platt Amendment, 1903
By Senator Orville Platt
May 19, 2004, 11:38am


At the end of the Spanish-American War in 1898, the United States found itself in control of several overseas territories, including Cuba. (see the de me letter) In April of 1898, Senator Henry M. Teller, of Colorado, proposed an amendment to the United State declaration of war against Spain, which stated that the United States would not establish permanent control over Cuba. The Senate adopted the amendment on April 19.
Read more on the Teller Amendment


By Navy JOC John F Williams 8/22/03


Sorry dude but this time you lose.
on Jul 02, 2005
Sorry dude but this time you lose.


do tell. you did notice that the part i quoted had nothing to do with the platt agreement?

It was "issued" by the United States Navy Joint Operations Center! Now would "you" like a piece of pie?


The USN can talk smack all they want.


well which is it doc? either you reject the navy as a source or you don't you can't do both.

in any event, i'm not the only one who loses this time. the whole country is losing thanks to the idiots who dreamed this scam up