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Published on June 21, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

i'm guessing most of yall have read 'alice in wonderland' or seen the disney translation and will remember the croquet game in which the rules were constantly being redefined according to royal whim?

the progression that led to our current quandry in guantanamo proves that life imitates art.

first of all, let's consider how it is we have a base in guantanamo...and how it became a prison. 

after 'liberating' cuba from its spanish colonial masters, the us forced (as in there was no choice involved) cuba to incorporate the platt agreement into its new constitution.  one provision of platt required cuba to extend to the us an open-ended lease of 75 acres, to be used solely as a naval coaling station.  no other use was provided for nor permitted. 

the us remained involved in cuba's affairs until castro overthrew batista in 1959.   despite--or more accurately, to spite castro-- cuba's demand we leave, the us navy maintained the base at guantanamo. 

in 1991, following the overthrow of haiti's elected government in a military coup engineered by three generals-all of whom were graduates of fort benning's school of the americas--a tent city (surrounded by razor wire) was created at guantanamo to house haitian refugees.  beginning in 1992, the refugees were forced to repatriate.  those who resisted were deemed by ghwbush to have no legal standing in us courts because they were on 'cuban soil'.  

despite a federal court order to close the 'shelter', it was actually expanded and used to detain cuban refugees who failed in their attempt to escape castro and more haitians following the the 1994 revolt in their home country.

those detainees rioted on a number of occasions and had to be pacified by us troops with fixed bayonets.  conditions were deplorable and some cuban refugees committed suicide intentionally while others died trying to escape back to the dictatorship from which they'd fled hoping for freedom in the usa.

in response to a filing by the present president's father's administration, the eleventh circuit court of appeals issued a ruling on january 18, 1995 stating detainees at guantanamo had none of the constitutional rights which  "bind the government only when the refugees are at or within the borders of the United States."

move the croquet goal over a bit..and give the queen another turn.

i don't know if the adminstration had a plan for those they transported to guantanamo in 2002, but like so much of its 'war on terror' i'm guessing it didn't.  obviously it wasn't to hold all those who represented a danger or they wouldn't have released those who re-joined the taliban.  if the plan was to obtain information, they may or may not have succeeded. 

one of the several british citizens who've been released signed a confession in which he admitted he was a fighter seen on videotape with bin laden; british intelligence has determined that was impossible since the guy was in the uk at the time the tape was made.

furthermore, there is evidence that some of those detained at guantanamo were falsely turned in as members of al quaeda to obtain cash rewards (possibly by real al quaeda members). 

if i understand the theory of 'illegal combatants'  correctly, there should be no afghans in guantanamo.  one would think that non-afghans caught fighting in that country would be liable to afghani law (as would natives who chose to fight on the losing side).   but then 'illegal comabatants' is a construct of the administration that brought you 'clear skies' and 'no child left behind'. 

in any event, now that we're holding them, a plan is needed.  like some way of positively establishing identity. those who are determined to be members of al-quaeda and were involved on attacks on the us can then be prosecuted.  if any should turn out to have had no part in attacks on the us, they probably need to be released. 

unless, of course, we want to continue to play by queen of heart rules.


Comments
on Jun 21, 2005
You know as well as anyone that these were never rules set in stone to begin with. The major players that made these rules didn't WANT to make rules concerning rebels, insurgents, spies, etc. Nations that have abused such people for decades are now outraged that we are doing it, like the police commisioner in Casablanca. They are shocked, SHOCKED that certain individuals can be dealt with this way.

Next time, these people should, I suppose, "get killed in combat", i.e. disappear as so many during the cold war did on either side.

One would think that this would be preferable, but evidently the world likes their sins to be heinous and invisible, instead of half-assed and public.
on Jun 21, 2005
i had no problem with rounding up the foreign fighters in afghanistan...nor with picking up those members of the taliban who provided al quaeda a sanctuary. (i also have no problem with picking up those members of pakistan's intelligence agency who helped al quaeda.

i do have a serious problem with inventing a semi-quasi-psuedo exemption such as 'illegal combatants'. i have an equally serious problem with the claim that a us naval base is not us territory. most of all i have a problem with the idea that the president has a right to proclaim himself above the law.
on Jun 21, 2005
But it is the same thing as all the "WMD" stuff from the invasion. This is people trying to do what they have to do while trying to fit it into an unreasable mold. We had every reason to invade Iraq, but we farted around and blew scarier reasons out of proportion to please people who would never be pleased.

Now we are making excuses to those same people about Gitmo. Oh, it isn't the US. No, these aren't PoWs. Just like the first mistake, we should have just done what we always did and not offered excuses or apologies. I wrote something about it ages ago, I forget what I even called it.

Its this half-assing that is costing lives and harming our image more than the overt acts themselves. We sacrifice ground troops to prevent civilian casualities, and we catch hell for our losses. We stretch reasons to invade when we already had enough, and they use those reasons against us. We try and be out in the open about these prisoners, and they use our openness to bash us.

The enevitable result is pretty apparant, and I think people will end up likeing what they have now a lot more. We're just going to stop caring so much.
on Jun 22, 2005
But it is the same thing as all the "WMD" stuff from the invasion


i see it as exactly the same thing...and i wonder a. why it's needed? b. where my old partner jesse is cuz apparently a buncha people in the executive branch need a lecture on the danger of getting so slick one outslicks ones ownself.

We had every reason to invade Iraq, but we farted around and blew scarier reasons out of proportion to please people who would never be pleased.


this isn't totally accurate. if the sanctions were violated, the un may have had every reason to invade. i can hardly imagine scarier scenarios than the ones the administration concocted.

here's the thing (and i'm always sorta surprised when i see you advocating practicality over standards): america is supposed to do things the right way...the legal way...with malice towards none (even those who are enemies). whether or not we actually do what we claim is too often questionable, but that shouldnt be an excuse for no longer trying. as little kids we're taught that america is unique because we're a government of law and people aren't disappeared or tossed into a cell to rot.

'more perfect' is not 'as good as' or 'more perfect except when it's expedient or easier not to be'.

the day we officially lower the bar by unanimous consent is the day the dream begins to die.
on Jun 22, 2005
most of the half-assing is a result of bad decisions, bad preparation, bad policy and incompetency masquerading as just the opposite.

most of the problems we're now having to deal with--from the detainees (and those 'ghosts' now being held in other unnamed locations) to an insurgency situation that is (as one general described it yesterday) most realistically considered at a stalemate to an enemy which is still active in afghanistan--are evidence as well as consequence of those factors listed in the first paragraph.
on Jun 22, 2005
We're just going to stop caring so much


you've got it backwards or else you're confusing my concerns with caring about others' opinions instead of caring bout ourselves.