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Just Found This Comment from Khalid Saifullah
Published on February 12, 2009 By kingbee In War on Terror

how nuts is this???

nearly 5 years ago, i posted an article about an a guy named jack roche who'd emigrated to australia, became an australian citizen, converted to islam, met and became friends with indonesian twins abdul rahim ayub and abdur rahman ayub (founders of the australian branch of jemaah islamiah) and changed his name to khalid saifullah

that was the beginning of a 7 year long journey that would take saifullah first to indonesia and then malaysia where he met hambali--a notorious shotcaller for both al quaeda and jemaah islamiah.  hambali, in turn, invited saifullah to pakistan and introduced him to khalid sheikh mohammed.  this would be the very same khalid sheikh mohammed who helped plan and carry out all of al quaeda's major missions including the attack on 9/11.

mohammed cultivated saifullah in hopes of using him to recruit other westerners and sent him to a training camp in afghanistan where saifulluh believed he would be trained to fight with the taliban against the northern alliance.  it was at this camp that he found himself sharing lunch with osama bin laden.

ultimately he was given several thousand dollars and ordered to return to australia with instructions to do some recruiting of his own.  his objective there was to hunt up a couple more anglo muslim converts who could be convinced to travel to afghanistan and join bin laden's force.

after failing to deliver, he decided to offer his services to australia's intelligence service as an informant.

according to an la times article which first brought my attention to roche/saifullah, that didn't go as planned:

"Jack Roche telephoned Australia's intelligence agency in July 2000, he offered a tantalizing story: He had been to Afghanistan and ate lunch with Osama bin Laden. He had received training in explosives and plotted with Al Qaeda leaders to carry out a bombing in Australia.
A Muslim convert, Roche was prepared to become an informant, his attorney says, and provide information about Al Qaeda; its Southeast Asian affiliate, Jemaah Islamiah; and their goal of staging an attack in a Western country.
But at the time — 14 months before the Sept. 11 attacks — no one was interested"

so he just faded back into the scenery until being arrested in 2003 following the bali bombing.

fortunately for him, he was taken into custody in oz thus avoiding being rendited or dropped off the face of the earth into guantanamo.    australia being a country in which laws and rights are respected put him on trial, convicted him and sentenced him to 9 years in prison. 

while looking through my archives i was amazed to find he'd commented on my article (presumably from jail). 

here's a link to my original blog about roche/saifullah.  he was one of two who commented on it so you won't have difficulty finding it should you choose to do so.

here's another link to a transcript of an australian production in which he, his lawyer and another spurned informant tell their side of the story.

 


Comments
on Feb 12, 2009

The link doesn't work.

on Feb 12, 2009

fortunately for him, he was taken into custody in oz thus avoiding being rendited or dropped off the face of the earth into guantanamo.    australia being a country in which laws and rights are respected put him on trial, convicted him and sentenced him to 9 years in prison.

I'm sure if he was taken to Club Gitmo he would just be released and return right back to terrorism as so many already have.  Oh, that's right.  We don't respect laws or anything. 

on Feb 12, 2009

Wow, they gave him nine whole years.

I'm sure the families of those killed in the Bali bombing are looking forward to his release & re-introduction into society.  Nice job there, Oz.

on Feb 12, 2009

How many died in that Bali bombing again? Hundreds, if my memory serves me correctly. Wow, they gave him nine whole years. Because like, Oz respects human life and all.  Uh huh.

He had nothing to do with the Bali bombing. He offered to inform in 2000, three years before the bombing took place. That's why he wasn't convicted of several hundred counts of murder or conspiracy to commit murder.

He was rounded up like all the other pathetic examples of humanity which the Australian government decided were terrorists. It's good in one way, because there doesn't seem to be any Aussie terrorists with any real fire in them, but you have to wonder if the real threats are still out there.

I'm sure the families of those killed in the Bali bombing are looking forward to his release & re-introduction into society.  Nice job there, Oz.

Some of the Bali bombing families have been the most outspoken in the country against capital punishment. For a better idea of how different the politics are here, Terry Hicks, father of Gitmo inmate and 'convicted' terrorist David Hicks, won father of the year a few years ago, despite arguing for the release of a terrorist.

With the general quality of our homegrown terrorists, most people seem to be of the view that it's more of a matter of watching an idiot than lynching distilled evil.

on Feb 13, 2009

The link doesn't work

not sure why it's not working for you.  seems fine from here.  sorry you hadda problem.   give this >>>one<<< a shot

on Feb 13, 2009

We don't respect laws or anything.

the heart, soul and bedrock of our legal system is the principle of habeus corpus. 

governments claiming the power to restrict, deny or violate habeus corpus are collectively recognized and referred to as tyrannies. 

whether his assertions are true or he was intending to commit  terrorist attacks, australia clearly screwed up badly by ignoring him.  after his arrest, australia did nothing more nor less than a civilized society expects of government:  saifullah/roche was legally tried, convicted and imprisoned.

on Feb 13, 2009

He had nothing to do with the Bali bombing. He offered to inform in 2000, three years before the bombing took place. That's why he wasn't convicted of several hundred counts of murder or conspiracy to commit murder.

if there's evidence this guy somehow managed despite himself to successfully inflict injury or death on anyone or damage to property, it's not easy to locate.  same goes for proof he didn't hurt anyone.  ditto for his claimed offers of information and/or infiltration as well as asio's denial of any such offers being made on his part (it is kinda interesting that asio policy has been changed to require followup of all contacts).  

this bbc report seems to offer as much insight as anything else i've seen or as may ever be available to anyone without sufficient security clearance (find it here):

"according to analysts, he is also guilty of a stunning level of ignorance.

Giving evidence at his court hearing in Perth, Roche gave the impression he was largely unaware of the plans afoot - even though he was given explosives training and asked to undertake surveillance of the embassy.

By his own admission, Roche was easily led. But he was also "incredibly naive and stupid", according to David Wright-Neville, of the Global Terrorism Project at Monash University, Melbourne.

Dr Wright-Neville described Roche as an "Antipodean version of shoe bomber Richard Reid", the British man found guilty of trying to blow up a packed flight with explosives hidden in his shoes.

"He didn't know what he was getting himself into," said Dr Wright-Neville, "and when he realised, he got cold feet."

By then, it was too late. Fearing for his life, Roche said he carried out orders to investigate the embassy."

the embassy in question is israel's embassy in caberra australia.  clearly roche/siafullah was hardly alone in his naivete or stupidity:

So in June 2000, Roche started filming outside the embassy in Canberra.

In the resulting video, Roche can be heard telling passers-by he was a tourist interested in architecture. A security guard replied: "Is that what it is? I didn't think you were going to bomb the joint."

on Feb 13, 2009

all of the above--serious tho it may be--has little to do with the point i hoped to make with his one. 

anyone who's taken time to check out their articles' referrals has some idea of ju's scope and range.  in certain respects it's analagous to a long gone phenomenon recalled by the wall of voodoo's 'mexican radio'.  that song celebrated broadcast stations located just across the border from restrictive fcc wattage limits.  under the right conditions they owned the night from the plains to the pacifc and possibly into canada.    

i can't say with any certainty whether the responder is or isn't jack roche/khalid saifullah--but i'm guessing it is he.  he was released from prison in 2007. it seems he was using the net at least as early as the late 1990s. he's the right age. although only a few sentences long,  the writing style manifested in his comment mirrors that of letters he wrote to reporter colleen egan which were excerpted in her articles about her correspondent.

bear in mind the last reply in that thread prior to his was posted on june 8, 2004.  the article quickly slipped beneath our wisdom like a stone tied to a cinderblock tied to the titanic positioned directly over the mariannas trench.  to find it in my archive you gotta have no sense and someone to keep clicking 'next' cuz your body iis completely immobile thanks to some kinda horrible disease or accident.

of everything relating to roche i've been able to turn up, only one element raised any significant doubt in my mind and even then it's something too weird to not be real. 

check out the profile he hadda create to reply to my post.

on Feb 13, 2009

governments claiming the power to restrict, deny or violate habeus corpus are collectively recognized and referred to as tyrannies.

As in the United States Government under Lincoln.

on Feb 13, 2009

the heart, soul and bedrock of our legal system is the principle of habeus corpus.
governments claiming the power to restrict, deny or violate habeus corpus are collectively recognized and referred to as tyrannies.

Seems to me that is reserved for citizens of the US. What right do we have  to extend our justice system on the world? Would you be happy if say North Koreans brand justice was imposed on you? According to your philosophy there were 100's of thousands of Axis prisoners that didn't get a fair trial during WWII. They were on US soil. Should we have had hearings to see if any were innocent and send them back? Remember Al Quaeda declared war on the US in the 90's (Clinton just didn't take it seriously). So if your shooting at a US soldier in the name of this group or their allies, your only right when captured is as a prisoner of war, 1000 times better than what they give a captured US soldier. Funny how the left never cries foul over a dead, mutilated coalition troop. There was a name used for that in the past that for some reason seems not to apply today.