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Published on June 2, 2004 By kingbee In Misc
the discussion about bill cosby's speech at the naacp commemoration of the supreme courts ruling on brown vs board of education (those of you who havent continued to follow the thread may have missed a comment by 'bill cosby' ) has shaken loose a couple of memories that have not much to do with the topic but arent totally out of the park in that they relate to education in general and the way people are taught to learn.

the first involves the young son of a friend who was supposed to be doing his arithmetic homework problems while we were working on his father's company's annual catalog. the kid reminds me a lot of myself in one unfortunate respect: he had 15 addition and subtraction problems to solve--which he could easily have completed in 10 minutes and then spent the next 60 minutes playing--that he ignored, pretended to be working on, ignored a while longer, whined about the injustice of being forced to sit inside while it was nice outside and otherwise wasted a tull 70 minutes accomplishing nothing. my father could multiply two three digit numbers in his head in less time than it took me to type this sentence. so he had very little patience during the 9 years or so when i did pretty much the same as my friend's son night after night after night.

what i eventually began to believe was a dislike of mathmatics or inability to understand math was something entirely different...although i didnt realize that until i was nearly 24. in the meantime, the world lost a potentially great (or prematurely dead) herpetologist because i didnt have the skills to make it past freshman biochemistry.

anyway, it struck me strange that my friend's son had to deal with solving arithmetic problems when calculators were so easily and inexpensively available. i mentioned it to my friend and then told him that my real problem with all the forms of math that one learns later would very likely not been a problem if i'd been able to use a calculator in 3rd grade. i made silly addition and subtraction mistakes (i still do) and multiplication/division just made it worse. as my classes moved on into story problems, i knew the correct operation...but id get the wrong answer and after a while i stopped caring.

working my first 'real' job (one that didnt involve a guitar and that i wasnt planning to quit as soon as i had enough money to live between gigs), i was picked to help a consultant work out some designs. i knew there was a way to make all the parts work together and i knew that way was called 'geometry' and i also remembered id immediately forgotten what little geometry id somehow managed to absorb only 9 years earlier. on the way home i stopped at a used book store and picked up a geometry textbook and over the next 2-3 weeks i retaught (actually taught would be more accurate because i really hadnt learned a damn thing about geometry the first time) myself the entire course. i was more than surprised and decided to see if i could do the same thing with algebra. my friends thought i was nuts anyway; any residual doubts they might have harbored vanished upon the arrival of the algebra book. 3 weeks later, i was able to do all the tests without a problem. suddenly my college board math test scores (which were higher than any in my school that year--high enough that the nun who was only passing me through algebra 2 to get rid of me felt compelled to slap me with the results hahaha) made more sense.

the other memory involves a guy who taught me about ocean fishing. hed dropped out of high school but was doing well for himself because he was a talented mechanic. his dream was to skipper a sportfishing party boat. hed spent a good part of his life on fishing boats--commercial and sportfishing--and he knew more than most of the guys who piloted the boats we fished on.
the licensed skippers knew that he did so i fished free whenever we went together. on several occasions, id witnessed him talking the captain through situations that could easily have been catastrophic. id also been with him when he put the boat on a spot using only his instincts and this mysterious notebook filled with sketches of barely distinguishable markers (sight-lining a buoy on one side with an oil platform on the other but both nearly invisible).

eventually he put together enough money and resolve to take a course in preparation for the coast guard certification test. he really threw himself into the course but was having a difficult time with the sections that dealt with navigation based on speed, time and distance. i offered to help him and discovered his real problem was a seeming inability to determine which operation was called for. in other words, if youre cruising at 8 knots (? hahaha) for 6 hours, how long will it take you to reach point x? he could use a calculator during the test, but it didnt help if he didnt know that the key to determining the answer was to multiply speed x time to = distance. when to multiply, what to multiply, when to divide, etc. was beyond his grasp in the abstract. behind the wheel, he would have done it correctly without realizing he was 'solving a problem'. (i knew someone else who had the same difficulty even though hed served a full hitch in the navy and had piloted a gunboat in some sort of secret cambodian campaign in the early 70s).

would using a calculator in 3rd grade have helped those two guys? i believe so because it would have taken the unnecessary drudgery out of arithmetic and freed them up--the same way it would have freed me--to concentrate on the real issue which is how not how much is 5 + 12?

i can almost hear voices asking...'yeah but what happens when you dont have a calculator and you havent memorized all those stupid times tables?' just as i can hear my own response: 'you make sure you have a calculator...i dont go out without my glasses or a watch.' whats more, im fairly sure that just doing the operations and seein the arithmetic would quickly and subliminally 'teach' the basics we all memorize anyway.


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on Jun 02, 2004
You know, I suffered a terrible pain when dealing with maths.

I didn't complete my second semester of year 11 maths, it just got... wierd.

Reading that article was entertaining, and it certainly reminded me why I hated maths... it is...wierd.

Thanks mate

BAM!!!
on Jun 02, 2004
Reading that brought back awful memories of maths class, where I saw the teacher was talking to me, I just wasn't sure what language they were talking in!
on Jun 02, 2004

I love math so I can't relate here.  Math is so cummulative that if you don't have the basics really engraved, you aren't getting very high up in Math courses.  I just don't know about calculators in 3rd grade.  Are they doing Algebra in 3rd grade these days? 


My son is in 1st grade and they have fun with math.  They are learning with real life stuff like counting money (which kids love!), measuring ingredients, etc.  He even knows fractions already!  They teach math a lot differently these days.  I remember teachers always saying things like "There's a trick to doing this an easier way but you will learn that later" then they never showed us the trick!  A lot of that is from pressure being put on teachers to cram a certain amount of curriculum into too short a period to teach it properly.  I always had a knack for math and he seems to also.


My sister, on the other hand, knew that I was good in math and didn't want to be compared so she decided she was bad at math and good with the arts.  Fact of the matter is, she is good at both.  So I think a lot of it is psychological.

on Jun 02, 2004
I didn't complete my second semester of year 11 maths, it just got... wierd

im not sure our 11th year corresponds with yours in terms of coursework but thats where i finally hit the wall too. i didnt have to take any more math classes after that til my third semester in college where i lucked into a boolean algebra class. i had no problem with that altho some of the other students (whod successfully confronted trig and calculus) didnt care for it much.
on Jun 02, 2004
where I saw the teacher was talking to me, I just wasn't sure what language they were talking in!

thats understandable and i know what you mean all too well. math (as opposed to arithmetic) is a unique and amazingly universal language.
on Jun 02, 2004
Math is so cummulative that if you don't have the basics really engraved

exactly. sounds like your son has creative, innovative teachers. i did really well in everything til midway thru 3rd grade (if theyre teaching algebra in 3rd grade now, i retract any wish ive ever expressed to have been born later than i was). lookin back, its clear to me that stupid addition/subtraction/multiplication/division mistakes were what made it miserable for me. id generally start out using the right method to solve a problem (which is really what its all about) but make errors adding or multiplying etc, and id wind up with the wrong answer. id start over again and change the method and get it worse.

So I think a lot of it is psychological

for me it clearly was but not because i had no interest to begin with. and as far as those tricks go..hahaha...ive figured out a number i use all the time altho i generally dont try to explain them to anyone but my sisters ahahahahahah
on Jun 02, 2004

Ugh, I really disliked math in school.  It didn't help that we had a teacher for 4 years who was shorter than me, who bathed one a fortnight and brushed his teeth with the same frequency, and who had dandruff so bad that when he leant over your work you have to brush the flakes off in order to see the page clearly.


I struggled through it, though.  I didn't enjoy it, and I'm not the world's best mathematician...but I made it nonetheless.

on Jun 02, 2004
I really disliked math in school

I struggled through it, though

a lot of people have problems with math. more problems, i think, than any other discipline. its a shame because mathmatics provides a way to analyze and understand so many things...music, art, language. just one more reason not to get distracted and frustrated by the details and wind up wandering away because it seems difficult. sliderules have gone nearly extiinct thanks to calculators eliminating another source of perplexing misery
on Jun 05, 2004
I can't do math at all, I can't even add in my head properly. Long live the calculator.
on Jun 05, 2004
insightful as hell ms z

im with ya there
on Jun 05, 2004
... add me to the list of mathematic morons, king. i spent most of my senior high school years in the hallway reading. hehe

i'm with dyl. long live the calculator.

mig XX
on Jun 05, 2004
add me to the list of mathematic morons

im afraid youve already disqualified yourself from inclusion on any type of moron list mig.

but if you really want to be listed...im sure i can find a list for you smokin!
on Jun 05, 2004
"a dislike of mathmatics or inability to understand math was something entirely different"

ps: king, i meant to add that this comment of yours is one i agree wholeheartedly with; in that "theory" and "learning" can only accomplish so much within any area that an individual has little or no natural aptitude for.

great article

mig XX
on Jun 05, 2004
im afraid youve already disqualified yourself from inclusion on any type of moron list mig.


ah, i'm sure i can still surprise you

but if you really want to be listed...im sure i can find a list for you


a list ? hmmm ? such as ?

mig XX

on Jun 05, 2004
a list ? hmmm ? such as ?

my 'official list of scary smart, hilariously funny women who are at least 17 hours too far away from me'

( you've been enrolled there for a while)
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