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Why Talk When You Can Bluster
Published on October 9, 2006 By kingbee In Politics

near the end of the first bush-kerry presidential debate, the following question was posed to both candidates:

LEHRER: New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry.

If you are elected president, what will you take to that office thinking is the single most serious threat to the national security to the United States?

kerry responded thusly:

KERRY: Nuclear proliferation. Nuclear proliferation. There's some 600-plus tons of unsecured material still in the former Soviet Union and Russia. At the rate that the president is currently securing it, it'll take 13 years to get it.

I did a lot of work on this. I wrote a book about it several years ago -- six, seven years ago -- called "The New War," which saw the difficulties of this international criminal network. And back then, we intercepted a suitcase in a Middle Eastern country with nuclear materials in it. And the black market sale price was about $250 million.

Now, there are terrorists trying to get their hands on that stuff today.

And this president, I regret to say, has secured less nuclear material in the last two years since 9/11 than we did in the two years preceding 9/11.

We have to do this job. And to do the job, you can't cut the money for it. The president actually cut the money for it. You have to put the money into it and the funding and the leadership.

And part of that leadership is sending the right message to places like North Korea.

Right now the president is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to research bunker-busting nuclear weapons. The United States is pursuing a new set of nuclear weapons. It doesn't make sense.

You talk about mixed messages. We're telling other people, "You can't have nuclear weapons," but we're pursuing a new nuclear weapon that we might even contemplate using.

Not this president. I'm going to shut that program down, and we're going to make it clear to the world we're serious about containing nuclear proliferation.

And we're going to get the job of containing all of that nuclear material in Russia done in four years. And we're going to build the strongest international network to prevent nuclear proliferation.

This is the scale of what President Kennedy set out to do with the nuclear test ban treaty. It's our generation's equivalent. And I intend to get it done.

same question was asked of bush.  his reply was:

LEHRER: Ninety seconds, Mr. President.

BUSH: Actually, we've increased funding for dealing with nuclear proliferation about 35 percent since I've been the president. Secondly, we've set up what's called the -- well, first of all, I agree with my opponent that the biggest threat facing this country is weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a terrorist network. And that's why proliferation is one of the centerpieces of a multi-prong strategy to make the country safer.

My administration started what's called the Proliferation Security Initiative. Over 60 nations involved with disrupting the trans-shipment of information and/or weapons of mass destruction materials.

And we've been effective. We busted the A.Q. Khan network. This was a proliferator out of Pakistan that was selling secrets to places like North Korea and Libya. We convinced Libya to disarm. It's a central part of dealing with weapons of mass destruction and proliferation.

I'll tell you another way to help protect America in the long run is to continue with missile defenses. And we've got a robust research and development program that has been ongoing during my administration. We'll be implementing a missile-defense system relatively quickly.

And that is another way to help deal with the threats that we face in the 21st century.

My opponent opposed the missile defenses.

lehrer attempted to clarify the difference between the two--if any

LEHRER: Just for this one-minute discussion here, just for whatever seconds it takes: So it's correct to say, that if somebody is listening to this, that both of you agree, if you're reelected, Mr. President, and if you are elected, the single most serious threat you believe, both of you believe, is nuclear proliferation?

BUSH: In the hands of a terrorist enemy.

KERRY: Weapons of mass destruction, nuclear proliferation.

But again, the test or the difference between us, the president has had four years to try to do something about it, and North Korea has got more weapons; Iran is moving toward weapons. And at his pace, it will take 13 years to secure those weapons in Russia.

I'm going to do it in four years, and I'm going to immediately set out to have bilateral talks with North Korea.

LEHRER: Your response to that? (to bush):

BUSH: Again, I can't tell you how big a mistake I think that is, to have bilateral talks with North Korea. It's precisely what Kim Jong Il wants. It will cause the six-party talks to evaporate. It will mean that China no longer is involved in convincing, along with us, for Kim Jong Il to get rid of his weapons. It's a big mistake to do that.

We must have China's leverage on Kim Jong Il, besides ourselves.

And if you enter bilateral talks, they'll be happy to walk away from the table. I don't think that'll work.

at the time i wondered what bush mighta said if he'd had to answer the question first.  i sincerely doubt it woulda been anything to do with non-proliferation.  more likely some more of his earlier nonsense about working hard at hard work.   

in any event, kerry seemed to have the right answer. 

ain't no seem about it now. 

good work, mr president. 

you done showed kim jung il who's boss. .


Comments
on Oct 09, 2006

there's a silver lining, of course. 

with any kinda luck, north korea's nuke test will prolly bump the foley thing off--or, perhaps,  outta--the page.  lol.

not to mention, it's a much more effective alternative to all those red and orange security alerts during the run-up to the 2004 election.   (you know--the ones we haven't experienced at all since the first full week of november 2004.)

on Oct 09, 2006
not to mention, it's a much more effective alternative to all those red and orange security alerts during the run-up to the 2004 election.   (you know--the ones we haven't experienced at all since the first full week of november 2004.)


See, this just proves Kim is a Republican operative. The CIA probably pays him off in 14 year old virgins.

Thank God they had the foresight to install their own HETERO perv to counteract that gay lobby's October Surprise HOMO perv.

What a fine day for all flag waving Hetero Republicans. Long live the Conservative way.



(Obviously the current national climate of absolutely everything being a conspiracy or Department of Dirty Tricks black-op is warping me.... I've gotta stop listening to talk radio.)
on Oct 09, 2006
Hehehe, I have always found it interesting when people talk about how 2 different people claim could do the job better but in the reality of life only one can get the job. Then if he fails or does not seem to be doing good, all of a sudden the other guy get's the Thumbs up as if they could, somehow, know that he could have done better. Hows about you just stick to blaming Bush like you always do and don't give props to someone who hasn't done anything or you can not see into an alternate future to prove he could have done better. You're starting to sound more like Col gene, gotta wonder why you hadn't posted an article in such a while, then you write somthing that only Col gene could have made up.
on Oct 09, 2006
As to Bush doing a bad job, I'll agree with you on this. It's a shame we allowed this to happen at all.
on Oct 09, 2006
Bush is so stupid!

I hope the 109th Democrat Majority Congress IMPEACHES THIS IDIOT
on Oct 15, 2006
Mr Kingbee,


As Woodward's latest book points out, the most important goal of the 2'nd Bush administration when it took office was to eliminate any remaining "Clinton influence". How else to truly avenge Papa's defeat?


BTW I just found a great compliment from you about me on another site. Do I know you?

please email me at lcarsman@comcast.net
on Oct 20, 2006
Kerry just a tad more intelligent then Al Gore whose wisdom gave us the internet ("During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.")... and those that continue to listen to the two are even further down the intellectual food chain - that’s truly sad....

Whets even more amazing is that Mr. Clinton doesn't seem to get enough credit for the North Korea situation. After all, it was his administration that brought Jimmy Carter into the picture (could that guy simply retire and take his grand delusions with him?) Jimmy, maintained his presidential record and orchestrated the ridiculous agreement with NK;

did anyone notice how Koreans blew up the nuke a few days back? Thank you Jimmy and Mr. Clinton's for your peace talks - I don’t believe Clinton was dumb and as such i can only conclude he was well aware of the fact that NK will cheat; he wouldn't need to care - that would be the next guy's problem, his job was to figure out what to do with the cigar.

Sure, lets go out and have a talk. Why not get around the table with Osama? Maybe he will propose something constructive and we could yield to those guys as well...