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Published on October 1, 2006 By kingbee In Politics

in a thread of another article by  the very astute Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1  Link   there's been an ongoing sidebar discussion turning on the question of what constitutes a bonafide plan. 

i found an article that seems germane to that conversation located here: Link  rather than dump what's turned into a lotta text onto mr. conners excellent post, i'll overload my own blog. 

the article in question was published on 9/12/01 so what's meant by mentions of 'last april' or 'two months ago' would be april, 2001 or july 2001 respectively. . 

it's focus is a self-described 'road map for national security'*--a report/recommendation prepared by the very non-partison 14-member us commission on national security/21st century (also known as the hart-rudman commission after the two former senators co-chairs).    chartered by the department of defense, hart-rudman's roadmap--the culmination of 2.5 years of study--was presented to the incoming bush administration in january 31, 2001. 

here are some excerpts from Commission warned Bush by jake tapper:

"The bipartisan 14-member panel was put together in 1998 by then-President Bill Clinton and then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., to make sweeping strategic recommendations on how the United States could ensure its security in the 21st century.

"In its Jan. 31 report, seven Democrats and seven Republicans unanimously approved 50 recommendations. Many of them addressed the point that, in the words of the commission's executive summary, "the combination of unconventional weapons proliferation with the persistence of international terrorism will end the relative invulnerability of the U.S. homeland to catastrophic attack."

" Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers -- that's a quote (from the commission's Phase One Report) from the fall of 1999."

"The commission recommended the formation of a Cabinet-level position to combat terrorism. The proposed National Homeland Security Agency** director would have "responsibility for planning, coordinating, and integrating various U.S. government activities involved in homeland security," according to the commission's executive summary.

"Other commission recommendations include having the proposed National Homeland Security Agency assume responsibilities now held by other agencies -- border patrol from the Justice Department, Coast Guard from the Transportation Department, customs from the Treasury Department, the National Domestic Preparedness Office from the FBI, cyber-security from the FBI and the Commerce Department. Additionally, the NHSA would take over FEMA, and let the "National Security Advisor and NSC staff return to their traditional role of coordinating national security activities and resist the temptation to become policymakers or operators."

"The commission was supposed to disband after issuing the report Jan. 31, but Hart and the other commission members got a six-month extension to lobby for their recommendations. Hart says he spent 90 minutes with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and an hour with Secretary of State Colin Powell lobbying for the White House to devote more attention to the imminent dangers of terrorism and their specific, detailed recommendations for a major change in the way the federal government approaches terrorism. He and Rudman briefed National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice on the commission's findings.

"Bush administration officials told former Sens. Gary Hart, D-Colo., and Warren Rudman, R-N.H., that they preferred instead to put aside the recommendations issued in the January report by the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century. Instead, the White House announced in May that it would have Vice President Dick Cheney study the potential problem of domestic terrorism -- which the bipartisan group had already spent two and a half years studying -- while assigning responsibility for dealing with the issue to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, headed by former Bush campaign manager Joe Allbaugh***.

"The Hart-Rudman Commission had specifically recommended that the issue of terrorism was such a threat it needed far more than FEMA's attention..

"Before the White House decided to go in its own direction, Congress seemed to be taking the commission's suggestions seriously, according to Hart and Rudman. "Frankly, the White House shut it down," Hart says. "The president said 'Please wait, we're going to turn this over to the vice president. We believe FEMA is competent to coordinate this effort.' And so Congress moved on to other things, like tax cuts and the issue of the day."



"In March, Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, introduced the National Homeland Security Agency Act. Other members of Congress -- Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, R-Md., John Kyl, R-Ariz., Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. -- talked about the issue, and these three and others began drafting legislation to enact some of the recommendations into law. "



"On April 3, before the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Terrorism and Technology, Hart sounded a call of alarm, saying that an "urgent" need existed for a new national security strategy, with an emphasis on intelligence gathering.

"Good intelligence is the key to preventing attacks on the homeland," Hart said, arguing that the commission "urges that homeland security become one of the intelligence community's most important missions." The nation needed to embrace "homeland security as a primary national security mission." The Defense Department, for instance, "has placed its highest priority on preparing for major theater war" where it "should pay far more attention to the homeland security mission." Homeland security would be the main purpose of beefed-up National Guard units throughout the country."


"But in May, Bush announced his plan almost as if the Hart-Rudman Commission never existed, as if it hadn't spent millions of dollars, "consulting with experts, visiting 25 countries worldwide, really deliberating long and hard," as Hart describes it. Bush said in a statement that "numerous federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapon in the United States. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious and comprehensive." That, according to the president, should be done through FEMA, headed by Allbaugh, formerly Bush's gubernatorial chief of staff.

"Bush also directed Cheney -- a man with a full plate, including supervision of the administration's energy plans and its dealings with Congress -- to supervise the development of a national counter-terrorism plan. Bush announced that Cheney and Allbaugh would review the issues and have recommendations for him by Oct. 1. The commission's report was seemingly put on the shelf."



"Just last Thursday****, Hart spoke with Rice again. "I told her that I and the others on the commission would do whatever we could to work with the vice president to move on this," Hart said. "She said she would pass on the message."

"On Tuesday*****, Hart says he spent much of his time on the phone with the commission's executive director, Gen. Charles G. Boyd. "We agreed the thing we should not do is say, 'We told you so,'" Hart says. "And that's not what I'm trying to do here. Our focus needs to be: What do we do now?"

"Of course, as a former senator, Hart well knows what happens to the recommendations of blue-chip panels. But he says he thought that the gravity of the issue -- and the comprehensiveness of the commission's task -- would prevent its reports from being ignored. After all, when then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen signed the charter for the 21st Century National Security Strategy Study, he charged its members to engage in "the most comprehensive security analysis" since the groundbreaking National Security Act of 1947, which created the National Security Council, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Office of Secretary of Defense, among other organizations.

"Neither Hart nor Rudman claim that their recommendations, if enacted, would have necessarily prevented Tuesday's tragedy. "Had they adopted every recommendation we had put forward at that time I don't think it would have changed what happened," Rudman says. "There wasn't enough time to enact everything. But certainly I would hope they pay more attention now."


considering how traumatized we were during the days and weeks following 9/11, their decision then musta seemed very right and reasonable.  especially when compared with the way the commission's recommendations were so casualy and foolishly dismissed.

i'm not sure whether the commission's  final report is long enuff to officially qualify as a plan.  it appears to be comprised of 139 pages + 18 auxilliary sheets (toc, coversheets, preface, etc.) which seems pretty damn long to me.

(the final version of the report can be obtained here Link )

my conclusion?

 the president, vice-president and their national security advisor were sufficiently briefed by the previous administration regarding  the immediate threat posed by al-quaeda and provided  with a comprehensive strategic program--or plan--to protect us from that threat.  

it wasn't until 9/11/01 that anyone in the bush whitehouse  took it seriously enough to implement most of the commision's recommendations. 

had these three people (among others) failed so badly in a commercial enterprise, they'd never work anywhere else again (well...dubya might be able to get his daddy and brother neil to scam up enuff bread to start a new oil company he could then sell to dubai, but..).

finally, i was amazed to discover the following  terms seem to have been borrowed, rather than originated, by the bush administration:

* roadmap

**national homeland security administration

i was equally amazed to see brownie wasn't the first nor the only crony appointed to run  fema

***FEMA, headed by Allbaugh, formerly Bush's gubernatorial chief of staff.

****this would be thursday sept 6 2001

*****9/11/01

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Comments
on Oct 01, 2006
If only Clinton could have been around to implement it....

I've only voted for two Republicans for president (coincidentally both named Bush), and I've severely regretted it both times. Dammit, I should have written in Nader.

on Oct 01, 2006
I can personally say that some action was taken from this memo.

The first time I had even heard the words "Homeland Security" was at a NCO Conference for the National Guard in late July 2001. The guest speaker was then Army Command Sergeant Major Jack Tilley. He had stated that the first role of the National Guard was going to become "Homeland Security".

I know that should not be a shock to anyone, but you must remember that before 9/11, fighting the big war and the many low intensity conflicts of the mid to late 90's was the National Guard’s main orientation. Through afew counter drug units, stomp/drag missions, brush/forest fire missions and Y2K exercises, did mix it up a little. The Guard really was not thinking of external threats to the home territory (remember terrorism was considered a law enforcement mater then).

I did get the impression that the whole "Homeland Security" thing was going to fall under and be regulated by the National Guard Bureau (NGB), not to become a large agency on its own. But any true moves to create an agency within NGB would have taken at least until the next fiscal year (Oct 1st) to get it up, let alone fully running.

In the years leading up to Y2K each State's National Guard was to receive a joint forces Weapons of Mass Destruction Unit. Usually a full time 20-30 man reaction team. But due to funding only a handful of units stationed in key larger State's like NY, CA, and TX was fully staffed and equipped by 2001. After 9/11 a special appropriations bill was past to complete the units. I can not say if Bush was going to increase the funding for these units in his first budget, because 9/11 happened before he could produce one. But these units where to be the cornerstone for the new “Homeland Security” mission.

I'm not trying to defend the administration's handling of anything. I just know that everybody started using the phrase "Homeland Security" after 9/11. Later I had thought it a little odd that those same words had came out of a briefing some months before 9/11. But “Homeland Security” was not to be a full cabinet level agency as the report you provided requested.

But someone had to have read the report and enacted some of it, in order for me to hear it from the Army Command Sergeant Major. That someone had to be in the Bush administration, because I had never even heard about a “Homeland Security” (even in reference to the WMD units) until after the change of Administrations.
on Oct 01, 2006

That was not the plan that Clinton was referring to. 

Secondly, the commissions report started showing up in the middle of the Clinton administration.  Did Clinton do anything? No. 

Replace terrorism with global warming and you could get the same thing going. How many reports, commisions, etc. have warned about global warming?

If next year it turned out we had a disaster that could be totally blamed on Global Warming would you sit there and write up how the Clinton administration had given the Bush administration a plan to deal with Global Warming because there were various commissions that took place during the Clinton administration?

Moreover, it's not just the length of something that makes something a plan. Recommendations are not a plan. If you've ever been an executive you would be very aware of the difference between suggestions and plans.

Every week, where I work, we get all kinds of suggestions, sometimes lengthy ones. But a PLAN is something very different.  A plan outlines specifically how to get something done.  Taking the comissions recommendations and turning it into a plan of action takes time and effort (look how long it took to implement the Department of Homeland security).  Clinton did none of these things. Nothing at all. And for you to try to argue that CLINTON (not some bi-partisan commission) had a COMPREHENSIVE worldwide anti-terror strategy plan to hand over to Bush is disengenous.

If you want to give Clinton a free pass, you would need to add a step -- in 2000 Clinton needed to take that commission report and then turn it into an actionable plan.

So please don't twist or cherry pick what happened to fit your ideological agenda. 

on Oct 03, 2006
'That was not the plan that Clinton was referring to.' draginol.

you rather miss the point draginol. again. whilst kingbee may propose the possibility that the 'Road Map For National Security: Imperative for Change.' may be considered a 'strategic-plan' nowhere does he categorically make the claim that it is the same one that clinton was referring to. indeed, his tentative query over length as signifier of what constitutes a 'plan' remains open. it remains therefore, as with yours an unsubstantiated assertion.

moreover, we know that the primary focus of this thread is NOT about defending whether clinton did or did not provide an 'actionable plan' by the very thread's title: 'why is a memo like plan - if you are gwb both are easy to ignore'. the issue, therefore, is not whether the clinton administration provided an 'actionable plan' in accordance with your own interpretation draginol. it is that this is yet one more document that unequivocally gives support to the fact that the bush administration were informed of the imminent terrorist threat in no uncertain terms and failed to address it. it is irrelevant the form in which the information takes. it is about content; a content that unambiguously declares the threat of a terrorist attack was imminent.

this is not based on interpretation or speculative opinion. it is based on factual evidence. evidence that is substantiated now in the form of a memo, a strategy, referred to meetings and, now, in this case a comprehensive set of recommendations presented 8 months before 9/11. it was not clinton's administration that clarke, hart and rudman sought to urgently alert. it was the incumbent bush administration. as i have said previously the fundamental difference between the clinton and bush administrations failure to respond to the events of 9/11 is that by the beginning of 2001 the imminent threat of attack WAS known.

further - it is quite obviously not simply one report among many as you infer with your tenuous comparison with global warming. The seriousness with which it was regarded is supported by commission members intent: "The commission was supposed to disband after issuing the report Jan. 31, but Hart and the other commission members got a six-month extension to lobby for their recommendations."

in your obsession with the 'correct' definition of what constitutes a plan according to YOUR interpretation of what clinton meant in the wallace interview you have cherrypicked kingbees post and twisted his interpretation in order to further your own ideological agenda. how ironic.
on Oct 03, 2006
this is not based on interpretation or speculative opinion. it is based on factual evidence. evidence that is substantiated now in the form of a memo, a strategy, referred to meetings and, now, in this case a comprehensive set of recommendations presented 8 months before 9/11. it was not clinton's administration that clarke, hart and rudman sought to urgently alert. it was the incumbent bush administration. as i have said previously the fundamental difference between the clinton and bush administrations failure to respond to the events of 9/11 is that by the beginning of 2001 the imminent threat of attack WAS known.


Can you provide a link to this memo? Or is it more of Slick Willie's ramblings? I hope so. Because if you can't back it up...you shouldn't say it.
on Oct 03, 2006
'Can you provide a link to this memo? Or is it more of Slick Willie's ramblings? I hope so. Because if you can't back it up...you shouldn't say it.'


mais oui drmiler. perhaps you might wish to read the first line of kingbee's post again. context is everything, non?
on Oct 04, 2006

mais oui drmiler. perhaps you might wish to read the first line of kingbee's post again. context is everything, non?


KB's post has absolutely "nothing" to do with what I asked you for. I asked "you" if you had a link to this supposed memo that you were quoting. The link in the first line goes to another blog, "not" a memo. And in this case context means nothing.
on Oct 04, 2006
As always, hindsight is 20/20.
on Oct 05, 2006
'KB's post has absolutely "nothing" to do with what I asked you for. I asked "you" if you had a link to this supposed memo that you were quoting. The link in the first line goes to another blog, "not" a memo. And in this case context means nothing.' drmiler

No, i suppose KB's post does have 'absolutely "nothing" to do with what you asked me for' drmiler. unless you had read scottconner’s thread to which kingbee refers to in his opening line that is. if you had then you would have seen that within that thread i posted a link to the memo that you have requested. the very fact that you obviously have not means either that you are reading my own response here in isolation, or your facility for reading comprehension is retarded.

the reason i referred you to the link in the first line of kingbee's post specifically drmiler is that the very gist of the argument of this thread - including the memo i refer to - cannot be fully understood outside of the context of scottconner's 'The Truth About Clinton's Claims'. context in this case therefore does mean something. unless one is either intellectually lazy or 'cherrypicks' a thread and reads posts in isolation that is. again, how ironic. there appears to be some kind of pattern emerging here, non?
on Oct 05, 2006
'As always, hindsight is 20/20.' MasonM

indeed masonm which is exactly my point. what is now obvious is that when it came to 9/11 the bush administration did not need hindsight since they already had the benefit of foresight. they had the information in the form of a memo, a strategy, a pdb, a report, and repeated meetings including one by tenet and rice in july, 2001. the fact remains that the imminent threat of a terrorist attack in some form was known in those months prior to 9/11. this is the fundamental point of difference between 8 years and those 8 months leading up to 9/11. the bush administration's failure was not to heed those imminent warnings, a point that they are still unwilling to admit.
on Oct 05, 2006
You are still comparing 8 years to 8 months. What did Clinton do after the first WTC attack? Maybe you can tell me how many times he visited the blast site.

What exactly was Bush to do the several months before Sept. 11. Ban all arabs from planes? Maybe use wiretapping and secret searches on suspected islamic terrorists? Oh wait, maybe they could aggressively question islamists at the airports. Surely, none of you would have had a problem with that.

None of these "memos" and other claims of proof you guys keep quoting indicate what terrorists were going to do. It was basically, "terrorists want to kill us".

I to agree that not enough was done before Sept. 11, but you cannot compare 8 months of failure to 8 years.
on Oct 05, 2006
'What exactly was Bush to do the several months before Sept. 11.' Island Dog

it is not a question of knowing what the terrorists were going to do island dog. it is a question of urgency. a point that has been reiterated over and over in this thread. moreover, as the bush administration is wont to note. there have been no terrorist attacks since. security strategies have been implemented. by the beginning of 2001 the bush administration had a strategy for dealing with al qaeda and the 'Road Map For National Security' and the knowledge that some form of attack was going to happen.

at the very least the military would've been on alert and the air defense response would have been somewhat different.
on Oct 05, 2006
Where is this "roadmap to national security"? I agree there wasn't urgency, but you still can't compare 8 months of failure to 8 years. We were attacked first in '93, and it was treated as a law enforcement problem. That is how democrats like Kerry want to view terrorism. That is one reason he lost.

on Oct 06, 2006
'Where is this "roadmap to national security"?' island dog.

if you do not know where the 'roadmap to national security' is island dog, one can but assume you do not know what it is. if you do not know what it is.. then exactly how can you dismiss 8 months as being incomparable with 8 years if you do not know what constitutes that failure?