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Miracle #2 In Progress As I Type
Published on September 18, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

i very clearly remember the first time george bush proclaimed a national day of prayer. 

it was also in september, just a few days after those planes smashed into the towers, the pentagon and a wooded area in pennsylvania. 

prior to reading the official proclamation document and then hearing bush's address at the episcopal national cathedral, i disliked him both as a man and as president.  by dislike, i mean exactly that.  no less; no more.  i didn't focus much effort or energy on him.  if anything i saw him mostly as a source of quirky perverse amusement--one we really couldn't afford, but were stuck with for a couple more years.

his proclamation pushed dislike all the way to deplore; his address transformed deplore, converting it to despise. 

so it was on thursday the very last thing i coulda envisioned myself doing today woulda been expressing any measure of approval for the message he delivered friday...the national day of prayer he proclaimed in response to the horrors of katrina.

Miracle #1

the thing about miracles is they always seem to manifest themselves to those  who most want them to occur and are most eagerly willing to be convinced.  that's where i am now.  i truly wanna believe my president meant this exactly.  no less; no more:

"The greatest hardship fell upon citizens already facing lives of struggle: the elderly, the vulnerable and the poor. And this poverty has roots in generations of segregation and discrimination that closed many doors of opportunity. As we clear away the debris of a hurricane, let us also clear away the legacy of inequality."

i doubt i really need to mention how amazed i was to read that this morning. 

Miracle #3

i'm willing to give bush the benefit of the doubt. 

(it's gonna be obvious if he tries to backpedal or wiggle outta that statement...or his commitment.  i'm so hoping he wont.  THAT should be more than enough to balance my wariness and prevent it from diminishing that last miracle in any way.)    


Comments (Page 4)
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on Sep 20, 2005
Not to detract from your squabbling -- just ignore this (as usual) and continue on -- or anything...

How is that different than allowing a creche on city property during December? No one is required to go downtown & look at it, so noone's rights are violated there, either.


The difference is "day of prayer" is generic; the creche is a specific representation. Day of prayer doesn't refer to any specific religion -- hell, you could be praying to yourself, for the humanistic types -- and therefore couldn't be "establishing" one.
on Sep 20, 2005
The difference is "day of prayer" is generic; the creche is a specific representation. Day of prayer doesn't refer to any specific religion -- hell, you could be praying to yourself, for the humanistic types -- and therefore couldn't be "establishing" one.


I agree with this. However, I think that by maintaining a generic sense of religion, the government is walking a very fine line into that separation of church and state issue. Obviously, it's not new for our government to do this. But, I have always taken issue with the concept of government declaring the presence of a god, be it generic or otherwise.

I do not believe that it's the government's place to presume the presence of god, at all. To truly separate church and state, such presumptions should not be made. Leave it to individuals to believe what they want to believe, to presume what they want to presume, and to practice whatever religion they choose to practice, or not practice any religion at all.
on Sep 20, 2005
Well then, are you ready to kiss the concept of "inalienable rights" goodbye? You know all those that our government considers "endowed by our creator" and therefore insuperable by man or government?


Creator is a pretty generic term. (I know I'm stretching this a bit, as it's probably not the intended meaning in the DoI.) Biologically, my creators were my parents, so is it not valid to say that I was endowed with those rights from birth by my parents, not some god type being?
on Sep 20, 2005
So the secret is out: kingbee knows all because of his infallible smirk-o-meter! I just knew those lefties were cookin' up an October surprise... just let it slip a bit early.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 20, 2005
As for those inalienable rights - I'm guessing the term creator was written in the DOI with a lower case "c" for a reason. The rights asserted are no less inalienable whether endowed by a God or an alien or natural selection.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 20, 2005
The "only" reason I don't really insult you is that I like JU and don't have any plans on getting banished.


Chicken


Nope, not chicken. Just not "STUPID" like some people on here that I could mention but won't.
on Sep 20, 2005
With friends like that, she don't need no enemas, no matter how full of it she is!


can't understand how such a brilliant woman can fail a psychological test.... looks like I'm not the only one to think she is a psychopath.
on Sep 20, 2005
With friends like that, she don't need no enemas, no matter how full of it she is!


can't understand how such a brilliant woman can fail a psychological test.... looks like I'm not the only one to think she is a psychopath.


Maybe so but the "only" other one that agrees with your assessment does NOT lend credence to your supposition!
on Sep 20, 2005
kingbee knows all because of his infallible smirk-o-meter!


witness enuff interviews with self-admitted professional killers & thieves and you may notice something common to all the subjects: an innappropriate and apparently unconscious or involuntary grin. sorta like the way dogs yawn when they're nervous.

cheney and bush cannot seem to keep a straight face when responding to tough questioning (what little they can't escape). the more dubious their message, the bigger or more frequent the smile/smirk.
on Sep 20, 2005
As for those inalienable rights - I'm guessing the term creator was written in the DOI with a lower case "c" for a reason. The rights asserted are no less inalienable whether endowed by a God or an alien or natural selection.


exactly.
on Sep 20, 2005
C'est la vie, c'est la guerre


"Such is life", my ass!
on Sep 20, 2005
"Such is life", my ass!


Dr Milner, just for the record... I consider you and Mod my friends despite what anyone else says. I do not base friendships on politics... and both of yours' come no where near the outrageous racism expressed by others here.
on Sep 20, 2005
You can get banished for insults? What kind of waste of human flesh, oxygen theiving, stinking bit of rancid tallow, ameoba brained, rat vomit eating liberal democrat would banish someone for insult? (((Not that I would ever stoop to such infantile gainsaying))) ;~D
on Sep 20, 2005
What kind of waste of human flesh, oxygen theiving, stinking bit of rancid tallow, ameoba brained, rat vomit eating liberal democrat would banish someone for insult? (((Not that I would ever stoop to such infantile gainsaying))) ;~D


i'd answer you but....
on Sep 20, 2005
I sure hope karma is following this thread. whipsy, you're outdoing your own disgusting, profane and hateful self. You should be so proud.
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