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Cut Off Your Nose To Spite Your Partner?
Published on May 10, 2005 By kingbee In Current Events

the old joke about how to stop fish from smelling (cut off their noses, course) may be taking on new dimensions of meaning and import.  dr. charles wysocki of the monell chemical senses centre in philadelphia believes he has found more evidence that human sexual orientation is genetically determined.  dr wisocki has published in the journal Psychological Science results of scientific tests he performed while investigating the importance of body odor as a sexual attractant. 

the experiments required a group of 24 hetrosexual males, females, gay males and gay females who were washed clean of all unnatural scent and fed restricted diets for 9 day.  afterwards, well...yall wont believe me anyway so i'm gonna quote my source here Link

After this, they wore sterile cotton pads under their armpits for a day. These were collected and stored to use as a bottled source of their body odour. A panel of 82 heterosexual and homosexual men and women, not including the donors of the armpit pads, were asked to sniff each bottled body odour and evaluate its pleasantness according to a set of criteria.

and you thought science was all fun and games.

according to dr wisocki:

"Heterosexual males and females preferred odours from heterosexual males relative to gay males; gay males preferred odours from other gay males.

"Heterosexual males and females and lesbians over the age of 25 preferred odours from lesbians, relative to the odours from gay males; gay males preferred the odours of other gay males relative to lesbians

The overall conclusions are that the body odour you most prefer or least prefer does not depend on where it comes from but it also depends on who you are, in other words, your sexual orientation."

before you turn up your nose or snort in derision, you need to know the following:

Other studies showed that body odour is linked with a set of genes involved in controlling the immune system - called the major histocompatability complex - and heterosexual men and women preferred the odour of those with a different set of these genes to their own. One theory is that this could be an evolutionary mechanism to avoid inbreeding. The latest study suggests the genes involved in body odour may also play a role in sexual orientation.

or as the good doctor summarizes:

"The bigger picture is that body odour is determined in part by gender orientation which is not something we can have predicted. And it's possible that the genes involved in body odour are also involved in later life in gender orientation."

so.  if you're gay and don't wanna be...or maybe you're just worried bout those feelings you have in lockerooms...i guess there's now a potential "cure".  of course people are gonna be wondering what happened to your nose.

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on May 10, 2005
bum..m..mmm..achooooo.  jeez.  bump
on May 10, 2005
I love all the smell research they do in psych - women being more attracted to the smell of men with more chiselled jaws when they're ovulating, even though they never lay eyes on them etc etc etc (can't be bothered finding the source of that one,sorry). Smell is the most basic of our senses - the first to develop and plays a large role in bonding with our mothers, and generally the last to leave us. As such, it's not surprising (well, really) that it plays such a large role in attraction.

Smell is instinctual - compared to the other senses, not much higher processes go on when evalutating what we perceive. We also smell directly with our brains, another clue as to its base nature. Basically I think smell is just grand!

Great article.

Suz xxx
on May 10, 2005
Ladies, are all the good men taken or gay? Have we got a solution for you! Forget the Channel, you need Butch Cream! Butch Cream is a synthetic scent agent derived from the sweat glands of the manliest men alive. Fool that sexy hottie with the urge for Serge into thinking you are just what he needs. Pick from one of four ultra-manly odeurs, including Tom Selleck, Cruise Control, Baldwin Passion, and The Borgnine.
on May 10, 2005

"Heterosexual males and females and lesbians over the age of 25 preferred odours from lesbians, relative to the odours from gay males;

I always knew I was a lesbian!

Fascinating article.  But if this was done in Philly, why is the bloke english?  Or at least he is using the English spelling of the words.

But even cutting off your nose to spite your dick (so to speak) is still a bit extreme!

on May 10, 2005
But if this was done in Philly, why is the bloke english?  Or at least he is using the English spelling of the words.


Probably because kingbee was quoting an article from an English paper's website.

(I saw it on the BBC's RSS feed, but wasn't interested enough to read their article.)
on May 10, 2005

Probably because kingbee was quoting an article from an English paper's website.

Cool!  So now you can get an English translation on the Web?

on May 10, 2005
You never noticed Prince Charles says "color" over here?

Cool!  So now you can get an English translation on the Web?


Actually there have been for years. Try these, set to "Cockney:"

The Dialectizer
The Universal Translator

Just don't try them on JU. This site responds too slowly. The scripts time out.
on May 10, 2005

You never noticed Prince Charles says "color" over here?

I just thought he was being respectful to his betters! (Waiting for an SPM flame there!)

on May 11, 2005
Smell is the most basic of our senses - the first to develop and plays a large role in bonding with our mothers, and generally the last to leave us. As such, it's not surprising (well, really) that it plays such a large role in attraction.

Smell is instinctual - compared to the other senses, not much higher processes go on when evalutating what we perceive. We also smell directly with our brains, another clue as to its base nature. Basically I think smell is just grand!


i was surprised more by the fact nobody'd investigated this much earlier than by the results (altho i would expected gay men and women to be equally attracted to whatever passes for pheremones exuded by all men and women respectively). when you consider how many other species have so much more sensitive receptors and rely so heavily on the input they receive, i find it extremely curious we're so olfactorarily 'blind' by comparison.

altho i didn't realize the implications til i was much older, i've been able since childhood to distinguish whether clothing had been previously worn by men or women in the absence of artificial scents like cologne or perfume.

thanks for your very insightful comment suz. very very glad you dropped by!
on May 11, 2005
urge for Serge


caramaba. does serge know about this?

The Borgnine


is there a variety of these available...say from particular films?
on May 11, 2005
Or at least he is using the English spelling of the words.


putting on airs? (sorry i couldnt help myself)
on May 11, 2005

Actually there have been for years. Try these, set to "Cockney:"

The Dialectizer
The Universal Translator

Just don't try them on JU. This site responds too slowly. The scripts time out.


i shoulda known if anyone here was familiar with each of those, it would be you.


here's a couple similar ones



pig latin to english & back Link

shakespearean insults Link
on May 11, 2005
The Borgnine


is there a variety of these available...say from particular films?


I'd avoid Marty and All Dogs Go To Heaven 2. Maybe something nice and manly like the Dirty Dozen sequels.

Would gay men be into that ubber-sexy man in uniform Quinton McHale?

I think I caught Capt. Binghamton discreetly inspecting Ernie's inseam more than once. All that antagonism masked an unrequited love the depths of which we shall never know.
on May 11, 2005
pig latin to english & back Link

shakespearean insults Link


Hehehehehehehe.

That reminds me, I have a "complaint letter" article I never posted....

on May 11, 2005

I think I caught Capt. Binghamton discreetly inspecting Ernie's inseam more than once. All that antagonism masked an unrequited love the depths of which we shall never know.

I loved that series.  Binghampton was the original Frank Burns.  But I think he was a leeetttle too much like Frank Burns.

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