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Is This Outrageous Enough To Finally Open Some Republican Eyes?
Published on February 15, 2005 By kingbee In Politics

"No amount of money can truly compensate these brave men and women for the suffering that they went through at the hands of this very brutal regime and at the hands of Saddam Hussein." White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan November 2003.

no amount of money is exactly what the 17 american pilots--who were tortured in abu gharib prison by saddam hussein's thugs after being captured and  held as pows during the first gulf war--are gonna get if the bush administration has its way.

to that end, the government has done everything in its power to keep the group from collecting nearly $1 billion from Iraq that a federal judge awarded them as compensation for their torture

to add insult to the injuries these former pows suffered, defense secretary rumsfeld has publicly backed paying compensation to those iraqis who were tortured in 2003-04, telling a congressional committee investigating abu gharib wrongdoing, "I am seeking a way to provide appropriate compensation to those detainees who suffered grievous and brutal abuse and cruelty at the hands of a few members of the U.S. military. It is the right thing to do,"

oh..and once again, the war president is on the wrong side of the geneva accords since the united states and other signers pledged never to "absolve" a state of "any liability" for the torture of pows.

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the pilots--joined by 37 family members--were represented by dc lawyers steptoe & johnson who filed suit on their behalf in april 2002.  in  " Acree vs. Republic of Iraq", the plaintiffs  asked for monetary damages for "acts of torture committed against them and for pain, suffering and severe mental distress of their families"   since hussein's government didn't respond or appear before us district judge richard w. roberts, there was no trial.

judge roberts rendered his decision on july 7, 2003, awarding the group $653 million in compensatory damages plus  $306 million in punitive damages and the group sought a hold on iraq's frozen assets.  then things began to go down hill pretty rapidly.

the same group of whitehouse lawyers who attempted to subvert our constitutional balance of power--one of whom is now attorney general--began hustling to block the award claiming  bush had voided any such claims against iraq.

citing language in the emergency bill which appropriated  $80 billion for military operations and reconstruction efforts in iraq--you may remember it as the one kerry voted against--authorizing the president to suspend all  sanctions against iraq imposed following the invasion of kuwait, the administration asked the us court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit to toss out the judgement. 

the president's legal team claimed that same clause permitted bush to take iraq off the  state department's list of state sponsors of terrorism and void any  pending monetary judgments against iraq

a three-judge panel unanimously agreed with this argument and tossed out the pow's award.

the whitehouse then turned its efforts towards blocking a congressional resolution intended to ensure the pows were paid.

. "U.S. courts no longer have jurisdiction to hear cases such as those filed by the Gulf War POWs," then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage said in a letter to lawmakers. "Moreover, the president has ordered the vesting of blocked Iraqi assets for use by the Iraqi people and for reconstruction."

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the pilots and their families are hoping the supreme court will hear their appeal.  the case title has now been amended to (get this): Acree vs. Iraq and the United States.

the administration has adamantly refused to settle the case--even for pennies on the dollar according to jeffrey f. addicott, a former army lawyer and director of the center for terrorism law at st. mary's university in san antonio.

david o. savage who reported this sorry ongoing episode in the la times, february 15, 2005 notes:  "The POWs say the justices should decide the "important and recurring question [of] whether U.S. citizens who are victims of state-sponsored terrorism [may] seek redress against terrorist states in federal court."

the justice department--acting on behalf of the pows' brother-in-arms who now occupies the whitehouse--intends to file a brief this week calling for the court to deny the pilots' appeal.


Comments (Page 2)
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on Feb 16, 2005

Great, so if we have it, and they deserve it, why can't we give it to them?

You ever seen any politician 'give' money? 

on Feb 16, 2005


I agree. Let us pay the men with Saddams money. That I would agree with.


It's not saddams money, it's the Iraqi peoples money.
on Feb 16, 2005
I second that..Moderaterman....It isn't ours to use or way...
on Feb 16, 2005
I second that..Moderaterman....It isn't ours to use or way...
on Feb 16, 2005
I second that..Moderaterman....It isn't ours to use or way...
on Feb 16, 2005
It's not saddams money, it's the Iraqi peoples money.


They are never going to see it. Might as well do some good.
on Feb 16, 2005
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It's not saddams money, it's the Iraqi peoples money.


If the US government incurs a monetary penalty, the US goverment has to pay the penalty with the money it has, namely out tax dollars, our money. If Iraq under Saddam incurs a monetary paenalty Iraq has to pay the penalty with the money in it's treasury, namely the money Iraq collected form it's citizenry. Regardless of the government change Iraq still owes the penalty.

IG
on Feb 16, 2005
I know these sound like "slippery slope" arguments, but in law precendents are everything. Not everything is compensatable and the courts are no place to make decisions like this. These former POWs should use their efforts to increase benefits and compensation through the VA and other vet orgs, not the courts.


the law supporting this type of suit was enacted in 1996. i provided more information about it in reply#3. as far as precedent goes, the record is sorta vague in that i can't determine whether terri anderson (who was awarded a judgement against iran for their support of the terrorists who held him hostage in lebanon) has been able to collect.

on the other hand, there is at least one american citizen who has been enforced a judgement against iran...and the families of those killed over lockerbie have successfully negotiated a settlement with the libyan government. two families who lost members as a result of palestinian actions in israel are attempting to collect their judgements from islamic charities and banks that handle funds alleged to support hamas and other militant groups there.
on Feb 16, 2005
Second, why penalize the current owner for the sins of the previous owner


as mentioned in the article, the us is a signatory to a provision in the geneva accord pledging to 'never absolve" torture of pows.

this 'bad guys' are now 'good guys' argument is a bit specious in that light. it didn't prevent holocaust victims'from asserting claims against germany, austria or the swiss banks used by the nazis.

on the other hand, japan and its emperor have been pretty much been permitted to avoid compensating its victims--or even having to submit an unqualified apology.
on Feb 16, 2005
kingbee -

Was there a provision in that 1996 law which made it retroactive to Gulf War 1?

Also, there is a big difference between a civilian settlement with Libya and collecting a third-party judgment on behalf of members of our military. For active duty military personnel, if compensation is appropriate, it should come from us. I personally disagree with the 1996 law - I think it's wrong. We chose a course of action which placed those POW's in harm's way and we should buck up & do the right thing out of our pockets, not steal it from the Iraqi people. And, while a price tag can't be placed on various types of torture, $58mil each seems rather generous, considering the regulations our military operate under, their volunteer status, etc.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Feb 17, 2005
Great discussion both ways. I do wonder one other thing, if the money belongs to the People of Iraq, then what jurisdiction does the judge have to award it to anyone?

on Feb 18, 2005
The papers are hitting this again today, and continuing to slant the story as an ungrateful administration attempting to thwart justice for the POW's. It's too bad it gets superficial treatment rather than thoughtful investigation.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Feb 19, 2005
The papers are hitting this again today, and continuing to slant the story as an ungrateful administration attempting to thwart justice for the POW's. It's too bad it gets superficial treatment rather than thoughtful investigation


i'm trying to locate the text of the 1996 law as enacted. as soon as i find it, ill be back to you about the statute of limitations and (hopefully) and any rulings that would impact the pow suit.
on Feb 22, 2005
Duck----vast generalization coming:

This is just another example of the wrong-headed (mainly Leftist) thinking that any problems (and all suffering) can be solved simply by throwing money at them.

I've been involved in the POW/MIA issue for some 20 years, ever since I became aware of the issue when I was in High School. I have nothing but compassion and respect for the men and women who served our country in uniform and were captured and held by enemy forces. In ALL wars.

All I have to say is this: if there should be any compensation paid out involving POWs, it should be to the families of the 2500 we abandoned upon withdrawal from Vietnam, and the over 5000 we left in the hands of the North Koreans. You want to talk about suffering? Ask the National League of POW/MIA Families.
on Feb 22, 2005
This is just another example of the wrong-headed (mainly Leftist) thinking that any problems (and all suffering) can be solved simply by throwing money at them


am i to understand you feel these 17 pows are being duped by wrong-thinking leftists, acting in concert with republican senators allen and collins? perhaps all 17--and those members of their families who are also participating in this action--were wrong-thinking leftists prior to being captured? or they converted to wrong-thinking leftism en masse since then?
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